m&p 9 shooting low

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My buddy bought a new M&P9 full size we cleaned it out and took it to the range. Of coarse it has the awe full trigger. Seems weather he shot it or i it would shoot low. Now i hate the trigger and none of my firearms have a heavy trigger but he doesnt really want to modify it because he wants that to be his carry weapon. My question is... do you think its the trigger,the sights, or us?
 
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Stock 3dots? Fullsize or compact?

if yoi line up the center of dots you will see that front blade is low. You need to lineup the top of the dots or use no dot blade picture to shot accurate.
 
See i have had 3 m&P's and have always lined up the dots with no issue. Perhaps you are right though, i will tell him to try it the next range trip.
 
Try different ammo. Trigger needs to be dry fired a ton the get smoother though it won't make it any lighter.

BTW, I don't own one. Just suggestions.
 
The trigger job won't reduce pull down to the point where you can't carry it. It will take it from somewhere around 10 to somewhere around 5. It's really the smoothness of the pull that it improves that makes the noticeable difference. If he still doesn't want to do any trigger work you could dry fire it 3,000-4,000 times to take it from "dragging a cinder block on gravel" to "dragging a cinder block on concrete"

I did the trigger job on my M&P9c and 45, both of which I carry. I used the Apex carry kits and have been happy with them.

ETA: almost forgot the original question! Are you consistently grouping with the gun low or is the grouping spread out? I ask because the stock M&P trigger, IME, is not just heavy but inconsistent. The way you are shooting with that trigger could have something to do with it shooting low.
 
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Sorry to disagree, but a trigger job will get you as low as 3 pounds in my shop. I have had more than one customer say they could hit the target after the trigger job.
 
Greg Derr said:
I have had more than one customer say they could hit the target after the trigger job.
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1) Do you have any other pistols? And if so, do you shoot low with those, too? This might indicate an overall trigger control issue.

2) Try putting the pistol on a rest, and see how it does. If it shoots just as low rested as it does offhand (at the same distance)...chances are it is not a trigger problem, and it's probably the sights/ammo combination. If it magically starts shooting POA (or closer to it anyway) while rested, chances are its a trigger control issue.
 
atmay said:
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1) Do you have any other pistols? And if so, do you shoot low with those, too? This might indicate an overall trigger control issue.

2) Try putting the pistol on a rest, and see how it does. If it shoots just as low rested as it does offhand (at the same distance)...chances are it is not a trigger problem, and it's probably the sights/ammo combination. If it magically starts shooting POA (or closer to it anyway) while rested, chances are its a trigger control issue.
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No i shoot fine with my firearms. Just this new m&p thats giving us trouble.
 
Greg Derr said:
Sorry to disagree, but a trigger job will get you as low as 3 pounds in my shop. I have had more than one customer say they could hit the target after the trigger job.
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I don't think he was saying it couldn't go down below 5, just that that's what typical carry trigger job will be.
 
Greg Derr said:
Sorry to disagree, but a trigger job will get you as low as 3 pounds in my shop. I have had more than one customer say they could hit the target after the trigger job.
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Not sure what you're disagreeing with, Greg. I wasn't suggesting that a trigger job couldn't bring the pull down too low to carry, just that it doesn't have too. That, I imagine would be particularly true if someone brought the gun to a qualified smith such as yourself instead of installing a kit like I did. Even with a kit though, there is a choice of carry or competition kits with weights of about 5 and 3 pounds respectively.
 
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I'd fix the MA trigger first. It's quite likely it's a trigger control/anticipation issue rather than a sight problem.
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This. Slap your slide/barrel on someones gun that has the trigger job and i'll bet you lunch that your sights are pretty damn close to the hole you make.
 
TWtommers said:
The trigger job won't reduce pull down to the point where you can't carry it. It will take it from somewhere around 10 to somewhere around 5. It's really the smoothness of the pull that it improves that makes the noticeable difference. If he still doesn't want to do any trigger work you could dry fire it 3,000-4,000 times to take it from "dragging a cinder block on gravel" to "dragging a cinder block on concrete"

I did the trigger job on my M&P9c and 45, both of which I carry. I used the Apex carry kits and have been happy with them.

ETA: almost forgot the original question! Are you consistently grouping with the gun low or is the grouping spread out? I ask because the stock M&P trigger, IME, is not just heavy but inconsistent. The way you are shooting with that trigger could have something to do with it shooting low.
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How many dry fires to get down to "dragging a cinder block on asphalt"? That'd really be the level of smoothness I'd be looking for.
 
jar said:
I'd fix the MA trigger first. It's quite likely it's a trigger control/anticipation issue rather than a sight problem.
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I would agree, he is just nervous about modifying the trigger because he wants that to be his carry gun.
 
btnh6668 said:
I would agree, he is just nervous about modifying the trigger because he wants that to be his carry gun.
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There have been plenty of threads arguing about that. My personal opinion is that the legal worries about this are overblown nonsense. I wouldn't go below about 5lb, but that's for my own safety(something getting in the trigger guard while holstering, for example) rather than any legal concern.
 
OK, so if I want to hit the bullseye, do I line up the top of the blades, tops of the dots or center of the dots?
 
I believe the M&P does shoot low. But with any gun you need to learn for yourself how to sight it and make your adjustments. I put big dot xs sights on mine and it seemed to improve my shooting a lot. I also have a 5lb trigger. The trigger job makes a big difference, at least it does in the compact. Don't worry about carrying a M&P with a 5lb pull. The trigger still has to travel a lot before breaking. Try hooking a t shirt on the trigger (empty gun) and see if you can get it to fire. Holster that gun and don't touch it
 
I do have a 5lb trigger on mine as well. I wasn't planning on making it my carry gun, but with a good IWB Holster I may make it one.
 
The trigger on the stock M&P is unusable.

If you are still concerned you might have a dud gun, shoot it from a firm rest at 25 feet and see what happens. The rest will temporarily mitigate most of the lameness from the trigger.

-Mike
 
Thanks Mike

I think I just need to spend some quality time getting to know my 9. Before the trigger job I hate to fire it, but now it's much more enjoyable. I need to put many more rounds through it and develop some more proficiency with it. At least now I has some ideas on techniques to work on.
 
funny a friend just bought a M&P 9mm, its the special with the Lula, 3 mags,

holster etc. he went to the indoor range with a bullseye shooter, both

were off, too low by about 12". my thoughts were a heavy trigger...

maybe i'm wrong.?????????
 

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