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Gentlemen,
It is clear that the MRA issues will not be solved in this thread... let's keep it popcorn-free, eh?
There is a time and place to deal with these matters, and it will be a long, drawn out process. Save your energy for when it counts.
It is clear that the MRA issues will not be solved in this thread... let's keep it popcorn-free, eh?
There is a time and place to deal with these matters, and it will be a long, drawn out process. Save your energy for when it counts.
More surely all club members should have some expectation of privacy and their names and emails should not be available to anyone who asks!
Indeed, every club I've been a member of has strict controls on access to the personal information of their members, just as they should.
On the other hand, there could be mechanisms to allow, for example, a board of directors candidate to email the voters a couple of times before the election without giving the candidates the contact information.
Many clubs (including MRA) have a members forum where anyone can communicate to the membership. It's not as direct as an email or mailing, but it does a better job balancing privacy and the desires of members who don't want to get into the politics of their club.
What is the mechanism for someone who wants to run for a club office to get his/her message out to the other voting members before club elections?
Do clubs publish newsletters showing the candidates photos along with a paragraph about them?
I am not a member of MRA and so I have no opinion about the club. My questions are purely for curiosity and without motive.
Thanks.
Do clubs publish newsletters showing the candidates photos along with a paragraph about them?
I am not a member of MRA and so I have no opinion about the club. My questions are purely for curiosity and without motive.
Thanks.
Ben, was that you in there after we finished with the steel shooting? What were you shooting?
warwickben
bubba Kalashnikov
I'm not a member, I want to join tho but not sure how.
Yeah I sat around from 730 till 10 waiting .the person I was helping had no idea there was a plate match ..... Did go up stairs to test my gsg 22 kit on my Remington 1911r1.
I was test firing a Romanian psl/fpk romak 3(so many names for it) .
big ak that shoots 54r... For a fellow nes member. I was the slob looking dude with a brown and black stripe sweat shirt not shaven smelling like a machine shop.
Also had my xds that I just got to carry .so I wanted to try my p+ carry ammo etc . Then I did a bunch of mag dumps with the .22 kit.
Did we talk lol ?
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dcmdon
NES Member
It makes perfect sense. A lot of people, myself included don't want everyone to know where I live, what my phone number is, or what my email is.
Come on. Think about it.
WARWICKBEN - Hey, it was great meeting you last night. I was the guy who gave you my card and talked to you about bioreactors.
So you have seen the best and the worst of MRA. I've belonged to many clubs over the last 20 years and MRA is my favorite. As strange as it may sound, most of the time it is very friendly there. Everyone is willing to talk or help. Sunday mornings John makes breakfast. I go and yap, then shoot. Not a bad way to spend sunday morning.
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warwickben
bubba Kalashnikov
Nice talking to you . Feel free to pm me about that info you wanted.
I respect privacy. Giving out all that personal information would not be a good thing. I was asking if there was a member to member email list and got my answer.
What did not make sense to me was: "No access to this information as a member. But you can ask in the office."
or
You can't have it but you can ask.
I got a private reply that explained it to me and I get it.
Every club makes it's own rules and I respect that.
Thanks.
dcmdon
NES Member
Can some BOD people take this up.
I'm done with politics.
I'm hoping that someone on the BOD can take this up.
Over the last couple of months, shooting events have stopped being added to the calendar. Yes, I know we have the eblast. But there are 2 problems with that.
Sometimes people throw away the eblast and want to confirm the day of the event that its happening. When its missing, it creates confusion.
However, the most important reason to get this going again happened last night. A member, who was not on the eblast, showed up during the MRA Marathon, also known as Monday night plate shoots. They waited for 3 hours for range time. If I remember right, the member lived 30+ minutes away.
So we need the calendar to be updated to synch with the eblasts.
I'd appreciate it if someone could say "I've got that" or at least point me in the direction of the right person to talk to.
Thanks,
Don
I'm done with politics.
I'm hoping that someone on the BOD can take this up.
Over the last couple of months, shooting events have stopped being added to the calendar. Yes, I know we have the eblast. But there are 2 problems with that.
Sometimes people throw away the eblast and want to confirm the day of the event that its happening. When its missing, it creates confusion.
However, the most important reason to get this going again happened last night. A member, who was not on the eblast, showed up during the MRA Marathon, also known as Monday night plate shoots. They waited for 3 hours for range time. If I remember right, the member lived 30+ minutes away.
So we need the calendar to be updated to synch with the eblasts.
I'd appreciate it if someone could say "I've got that" or at least point me in the direction of the right person to talk to.
Thanks,
Don
warwickben
bubba Kalashnikov
Yeah me and the dude I helped waited 3 hours lol . 730 till when ever you guys finished .
He gets the emails but said he didn't see any thing about the match .
Once I get some cash in gonna be joining.
He gets the emails but said he didn't see any thing about the match .
Once I get some cash in gonna be joining.
dcmdon
NES Member
Harvey,
I thought I perceived some implication of a great conspiracy associated with the privacy of the membership list. I apologize if I came off as snotty.
As others have said, the club has 2800 members. Most don't really (ever) do anything. I'd rather not 2800 members all know where I live. One other thing. If I was a bad dude, I might join the club just to get access to the 2800 names of people who have guns.
The list would serve 2 purposes:
1) houses to hit during the work day
2) houses to avoid at night and on weekends.
I thought I perceived some implication of a great conspiracy associated with the privacy of the membership list. I apologize if I came off as snotty.
As others have said, the club has 2800 members. Most don't really (ever) do anything. I'd rather not 2800 members all know where I live. One other thing. If I was a bad dude, I might join the club just to get access to the 2800 names of people who have guns.
The list would serve 2 purposes:
1) houses to hit during the work day
2) houses to avoid at night and on weekends.
I've been saying it for year, I'd just as soon the MRA raised dues and hired someone to take on administrative duties in the club. Not a volunteer who does things at their leisure, but a paid professional who treats the club and its members with respect instead of disdain.
Hell, if all 2800 members of the MRA chipped in an extra $20 per year, we could afford a full time employee (or two people working part time). Sounds like a bargain to me.
Hell, if all 2800 members of the MRA chipped in an extra $20 per year, we could afford a full time employee (or two people working part time). Sounds like a bargain to me.
It's a public club, he could very well be a member next month. And if I'm not mistaken it's a 503(c) nonprofit, technically he could request the club's financial records if he wanted them. I see no reason for the club not to be transparent.
CAESAR
NES Member
My advice... do your homework. I know as many people who love the place as I do people who have dumped their memberships in the past 10 years. Read the rules, all of them. I'll leave it at that.
-Mike
chinalfr
NES Member
Did you read this?
Having a stranger scooping for private member info on public forum. Getting answer by club member which have no idea. I don't feel safe if my private info leaked.
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I guess that you are right. ANYONE wanting to look at the IRS 990 forms for financial info is free to do so, they are public info for non-profits and can be found here. You need to register but this is an excellent site to belong to when determining whether any non-profit (charities in particular) is worthy of your money (how much is spent on services vs. administrative costs/fundraising costs). [It was searching here that led to serious questions about GOAL, the GOAL Foundation and resulted in the split-up.]
http://www.guidestar.org/organizations/04-6059251/massachusetts-rifle-association.aspx
Agreed.
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Why? This forum sounds like a perfectly appropriate place to discuss gun club management.
I have shot matches at Mass Rifle - nice facilities, and the club members were excellent hosts. As to the politics - I am not involved and don't know any specifics, but I am a member of two gun clubs (Harvard and Hopkinton) and one would be hard pressed to find any reference to political infights or heavy handed discipline at either of those clubs - an both of them do take action when someone steps outside the guidelines.
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My apologies for messing up when pasting nested quotes.
I was not referring to personal member information when I said the club should be more transparent. I agree with everyone that I do not want my personal information disseminated.
I was referring to general information about club policies and procedures. It seemed to me like that is what Harvey Paul was asking about. And I see no reason the club should not be completely open and transparent about its operations to everyone (member or otherwise).
I was referring to general information about club policies and procedures. It seemed to me like that is what Harvey Paul was asking about. And I see no reason the club should not be completely open and transparent about its operations to everyone (member or otherwise).
Tony's right. Nobody asked for anybody's personal information.
Also, a club's policies and procedures should not be secret. Other club websites have theirs listed on their websites.
If club members don't want non-members to participate in this forum then simply don't discuss private matters on a public forum.
Friends of mine belong to MRA and like it. I have considered joining, and having some MRA discussion available helps me get some idea of the club dynamics.
Also, a club's policies and procedures should not be secret. Other club websites have theirs listed on their websites.
If club members don't want non-members to participate in this forum then simply don't discuss private matters on a public forum.
Friends of mine belong to MRA and like it. I have considered joining, and having some MRA discussion available helps me get some idea of the club dynamics.
chinalfr
NES Member
So I might be wrong here. Didn't you ask the question above? Email address and names? I'm sensitive as my info involved here. Having a non member asking way to get a list of member info? I do consider my name and email as private info.
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Some clubs publish a general membership roster for the eyes of their fellow members only. Only members can contact other members.
Some clubs post the names, phone numbers, and email addresses of the club officers on their websites.
Some clubs post their rules and regulations on their websites for all to see.
I can understand that a club can get so large that they can lose that personal interaction among members that smaller clubs have.
The Braintree club, for example, has 5,000 members and probably only about 10% of them actually go to the club.
A club that large certainly will not share the names of all members with each other. Members become badge numbers.
A small club with a limited membership that requires sponsors to join is very different.
I wanted to know if members of the MRA had access to each other's email addresses.
A simple question about club policy. I got my answer.
I wanted to know if MRA members could get email addresses of other MRA members.
I got my answer.
I never asked for anyone's personal information.
I'm sorry if I cannot explain this in a way that is easy to understand.
My apologies people.
Some clubs post the names, phone numbers, and email addresses of the club officers on their websites.
Some clubs post their rules and regulations on their websites for all to see.
I can understand that a club can get so large that they can lose that personal interaction among members that smaller clubs have.
The Braintree club, for example, has 5,000 members and probably only about 10% of them actually go to the club.
A club that large certainly will not share the names of all members with each other. Members become badge numbers.
A small club with a limited membership that requires sponsors to join is very different.
I wanted to know if members of the MRA had access to each other's email addresses.
A simple question about club policy. I got my answer.
I wanted to know if MRA members could get email addresses of other MRA members.
I got my answer.
I never asked for anyone's personal information.
I'm sorry if I cannot explain this in a way that is easy to understand.
My apologies people.
