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MEGA THREAD -Supreme Court Extends Gun Rights to All 50 States
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Finalygotabeltfed
Perhaps we should have a massive mail back of LTCs with a big red circle/slash that says "VOID BY SCOTUS"......I want a refund !!!!!
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Finalygotabeltfed
If I fell into that catagory, I'd petition for reparations!!!
It would certainly make a good case. It would be difficult to say "we're grandfathering convictions from back when we didn't honor the Constitution".
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Finalygotabeltfed
I realize that, but if close attention were paid to it, I'm positive that a vigorous and steady decline would be observed and obvious to even the most blind and myopic of individuals.
I wouldn't count on that. Much of the crime in cities like Chicago is criminal against criminal. Also, I think the belief that "more guns = less crime" is far too simplistic a view and as difficult to prove as "more guns = more crime". Correlation does not necessarily imply causation.
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Finalygotabeltfed
That hasn't silenced or stopped the slavery reparations crowd. The only thing holding their case up and basically invalidating it is that there are no more previous slave owners alive to be held accountable.........there are politicians, judges, sherrifs, police chiefs and legislators still alive who have knowingly and willingly violated peoples rights in the past and could be held accountable in 2nd ammendment violations.
Hope I'm not too late to the ![[party]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/021.gif "Party [party]")
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THANK GOD this case was decided before The King of Queens takes a seat on the Supreme Court bench. . . assuming her nomination survives that whole "naked shower picture" scandal
Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association, said his politically powerful group "will continue to work at every level to insure that defiant city councils and cynical politicians do not transform this constitutional victory into a practical defeat through Byzantine regulations and restrictions."
I'm sure he meant Chicago, but if there was ever any question about the NRA's intent on helping out its MA members, it is now put up or shut up time.
I'm sure he meant Chicago, but if there was ever any question about the NRA's intent on helping out its MA members, it is now put up or shut up time.
I agree, I hope you took my opinion as saying convictions should be struck down. Or am I reading it right?
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Finalygotabeltfed
There's nothing too simplistic about it at all.....its already been proven beyond the shadow of a doubt. More guns does equal less crime, and every single place where guns are the most prevalent the crime is the lowest. Conversely, the places where there are the least numbers of guns held by the general public, the crime rates are the highest. Its been that way ALL my life and I've watched the statistics change as carry laws became more lax and people started arming themselves.
The facts are already out there for anyone who cares to look at them.
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Finalygotabeltfed
I agree, I hope you took my opinion as saying convictions should be struck down. Or am I reading it right?
Yes, I took it as you state, just pointing out the differences in the two cases where reparations cannot be foisted upon people who had nothing to do with the owning or mistreatment of slaves.
Current and previous members of the groups I listed however are still here and living, and they knowingly and willingly violated the law of the land, with malice and should be held accountable for their actions.
I work with a guy who had a licence to carry in Florida while on a student visa. He is now a citizen with a Mass LTC-ALP
Careful, out current legislative body here in Mass may declare us all state citizens and now American
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I wouldn't say that. I can see a system of licensing legal visitors however, since they aren't guaranteed that right. Illegals, well they already have plenty of them.
The Boston Globe-Democrat wasted zero time going to John Rosenthal for a quote:
Activist: Supreme Court ruling to have little effect on Mass. gun laws
From the article:
Do the Globe reporters have him on speed dial or something? Every time one of their stories so much as mentions the word "guns," he's quoted.
Activist: Supreme Court ruling to have little effect on Mass. gun laws
From the article:
Do the Globe reporters have him on speed dial or something? Every time one of their stories so much as mentions the word "guns," he's quoted.
As usual, I'd advocate going slow to see how this develops.
Despite what people think, one can show historically that most of the time the Court is aware of and influenced by public sentiment. The national mood on gun control has shifted radically -- in our favor -- over the last 20 years. I'm not confident that either of these cases would have come out the same way were the public sentiment the same today as it was then, and I fear the implications of someone advocating (on the strength of Heller and McDonald) something that the public abhors, losing, and in the process getting us some hard to live with language.
'Twer it up to me (which it almost never is), my first baby step in Massachusetts would be with respect to the banning of post-ban date M4 magazines. I have a large quantity of M4 magazines. These are identical in function and capacity to, for instance, P-Mags (which are banned), saving only two attributes of no public significance whatsoever: A) they are old (actually most were still in original wrap), and B) they cost me four times what people in other states have to pay (with all due respect to ColtFan, whose perserverence in finding caches of pre-ban mags has benefitted us all).
Despite what people think, one can show historically that most of the time the Court is aware of and influenced by public sentiment. The national mood on gun control has shifted radically -- in our favor -- over the last 20 years. I'm not confident that either of these cases would have come out the same way were the public sentiment the same today as it was then, and I fear the implications of someone advocating (on the strength of Heller and McDonald) something that the public abhors, losing, and in the process getting us some hard to live with language.
'Twer it up to me (which it almost never is), my first baby step in Massachusetts would be with respect to the banning of post-ban date M4 magazines. I have a large quantity of M4 magazines. These are identical in function and capacity to, for instance, P-Mags (which are banned), saving only two attributes of no public significance whatsoever: A) they are old (actually most were still in original wrap), and B) they cost me four times what people in other states have to pay (with all due respect to ColtFan, whose perserverence in finding caches of pre-ban mags has benefitted us all).
I'd hold off on that one for a while. For the moment, the Court has held that Heller identifies only a right to possess a handgun in the home, something permitted under all LTC restrictions. In order for the Second Amendment to be offended by carrying restrictions, a court is going to have to rule that the Second Amendment also includes a right to carry a firearm in some, to be defined, circumstances.
