Mod Zero: Zero your Picatinny Rail - Unlock your Optics

[Mod Zero]

Hello NES,

As a NES member for the past 6 years, who's early interest was fostered by the many threads and members of this site, I am excited to finally publicly share my project: making scopes modular between rifles.

This began 2 years ago when I was considering purchasing my first $1K scope, an ACOG. Although I could afford the scope, I could not justify purchasing it if it I could not easily use it on all of my scopes. Although I could use QD mounts to quickly swap the scope, I would have to rezero it each time- a pain I had no interest in. I already owned duplicate red dots, I wasn't going to purchase duplicate ACOGs.

This was when I realized the core problem: rather than storing the proprietary zero of a rifle in the scope, it should be stored in the rifle. Therefore, each scope and each rifle could be set to a common zero once and swapped freely afterwards.

Mod Zero's patent pending scope mount is the first windage and elevation adjustable scope mount. After several iterations, the following renderings represent the final design coming soon.



We are about 2 weeks out from receiving the final versions of our products as seen above, but the parts are looking great thus far:


Below are some images of our alpha prototypes:



We are about a month away from the full launch of our product on Indiegogo. Why Indiegogo? It's simply the safest and simplest way to organize a preorder with our earliest customers and supporters. They also are the only mainstream crowdfunding site that will take our project.

For more information, check out our website:
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Please feel free to ask questions below or email me directly at luke.yost@modzerodefense.com. Expect more information as we approach launch.

-Luke

 

[RHJJ]

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[Mod Zero]

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[Fixxah]

Sub'd.

 

[JGreen]

Very nice.

 

[rcwhat]

Good luck, it looks like a great idea for people that want to share optics between rifles.

 

[enbloc]

I want a bionic eye...


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[Nick Leduc]

We are about 2 weeks out from receiving the final versions of our products as seen above


-Luke

You say you are about 2 weeks out from receiving your final products. I assume that means you are not doing the manufacturing. Where are these manufactured? Material specs? What is the cost? Once you launch on Indiegogo, how soon do you expect to ship units?

 

[loneranger]

Nice work. Made in USA too!

 

[FalArAk]

So you still have to zero,but you are zeroing the mount instead of the optic ?

Ahh ok I get it,you just buy a mount for every gun.

 

[Mod Zero]

You say you are about 2 weeks out from receiving your final products. I assume that means you are not doing the manufacturing. Where are these manufactured? Material specs? What is the cost? Once you launch on Indiegogo, how soon do you expect to ship units?

Great questions! We are outsourcing our parts to a tried and true contract shop that has a history in gun parts. All under one house to guarantee proper fit. They did a fantastic job on our alpha prototypes last fall. They are in central PA. Parts are mostly Aluminum 6061 T6 Milspec anodized or Stainless Steel 303 Black oxidized.

Price will be $275 MSRP, Early bird discounted price for our first backers will be $225. Also expect discount packs and possibly FDE.

Since we are eating up a good amount of the tooling up time currently, we expect turn around to be about 1 month (3 months max) for early backers. This is a number we are still locking down.

 

[Mod Zero]

So you still have to zero,but you are zeroing the mount instead of the optic ?

Ahh ok I get it,you just buy a mount for every gun.

Correct. Zero each mount and each scope once. We are working on hardware to streamline this zeroing as well.

 

[bigblue]

So you still use a QD mount for the scope? How much does your mount raise the optic? Seems like it would now be 2" above the rail?

 

[Mod Zero]

So you still use a QD mount for the scope? How much does your mount raise the optic? Seems like it would now be 2" above the rail?

Still use a QD mount on the scope, but some might prefer to use a standard scope mount and carry a torque wrench. Some precision shooters have mentioned that.

We add 0.60" of height. Our alpha prototype was on the cusp of needing a cheek riser and it was at 0.86" height. There are also ultra low scope mounts for the smaller red dots that would total to a standard height over bore.

 

[MichaelJames1971]

I'm confused - zeroing scopes are a matter of the scope's position on the weapon (height and distance from the muzzle) as well as the ballistics of the round an caliber used. There are far too many variables there to absorb with a common mount, even if the 'shared' rifles had the same barrel length and fired the same cartridge. The rifles would have to have IDENTICAL geometry from scope position to muzzle, and identical rifling and chambering, yes?

 

[FalArAk]

The mount stays on the rifles,so you buy multiple mounts to share a common optic.

 

[KMM696]

I'm confused - zeroing scopes are a matter of the scope's position on the weapon (height and distance from the muzzle) as well as the ballistics of the round an caliber used. There are far too many variables there to absorb with a common mount, even if the 'shared' rifles had the same barrel length and fired the same cartridge. The rifles would have to have IDENTICAL geometry from scope position to muzzle, and identical rifling and chambering, yes?

No, I see what they're getting at with this. Because the mount is zeroable on each rifle - you'd never touch the scope adjustment, as all zeroing adjustment would take place in the mount paired to each rifle. If the mount has the adjustment range of what the scope did, the scope doesn't need to be adjusted, or even need adjusting mechanisms. Sort of a QD version of the Unertl mount.

It's an interesting idea, I'm just not sure it's for me.

 

[FalArAk]

Personally I would just zero a scope when i put it on a different rifle instead of spending $250,which is what it comes down to.When I had an ACOG,going from my FAL to my M4gery was still minute of man and took maybe 5 shots to get poi.

Decent idea,just not practical for me,but im low drag and in no way tactical and not a warfighter.

 

[MichaelJames1971]

No, I see what they're getting at with this. Because the mount is zeroable on each rifle - you'd never touch the scope adjustment, as all zeroing adjustment would take place in the mount paired to each rifle. If the mount has the adjustment range of what the scope did, the scope doesn't need to be adjusted, or even need adjusting mechanisms. Sort of a QD version of the Unertl mount.

It's an interesting idea, I'm just not sure it's for me.

Aaaahhh.....mental picture complete.

 

[Compooky]

No, I see what they're getting at with this. Because the mount is zeroable on each rifle - you'd never touch the scope adjustment, as all zeroing adjustment would take place in the mount paired to each rifle. If the mount has the adjustment range of what the scope did, the scope doesn't need to be adjusted, or even need adjusting mechanisms. Sort of a QD version of the Unertl mount.

It's an interesting idea, I'm just not sure it's for me.

Only questions I have are how well would the rail retain zero and would the price justify purchasing several?

Edit: Had to read this a couple more times to get the correct picture of the rail.

 

[cockpitbob]

Brilliant.
100s of years of firearms development and I've never heard of this being done before.

Not for everyone, but I can see tactical teams using this for quick field swaps, or average income shooters wanting to move their one $2,000 scope between their .223 varmint rifle and their .308 F-class rifle.

Best of luck with this.

 

[joseph]

This is for the high rollers. I'm not knocking it, but I have one $1000 scope and six other $200 or less scopes on my other rifles. My expensive scope is a Vortex 6-24X50 FFP MOA scope with a custom turret. It is two heavy for my other rifles so count me out. Good luck and I hope you get rich. Sounds like a good idea.

 

[enbloc]

How come these weren't beta tested here, where you are marketing your product as a Greenie and not a Goldie?

Seems like you missed an excellent opportunity...

~Matt

 

[bigblue]

How come these weren't beta tested here, where you are marketing your product as a Greenie and not a Goldie?

Seems like you missed an excellent opportunity...

~Matt

In other words, you setup a personal NES account rather than a vendor NES account.
His point about beta testing is valid to a point, why not involve the NES community in testing if you value our opinion and dollars so much?

 

[MGnoob]

I guess some peole might see a benefeit to the product. Personally i don't...well maybe i would if the price point was like $125.
i just cant see serious precision shooters not having deticated optics.
For the rest of us i move my eotech and magnifiers between similar rifles without major zero changes, usually none out to 250 yards.

My only other question/issue/comment would be how does the added heigh effect cowitness?
I would have like to see a beta done here or ar15.com. i want people i know to give an honest review, not that i wouldn't try it myself against others advice.


I'm not trying to be negitive, i think youll do well but for 250 or more accurstely 250+250 is $500 to really use the product for its intended purpose..so ya id buy another $1000 optic

EDIT $250/$275 whatever... you get the idea

 

[Mod Zero]

How come these weren't beta tested here, where you are marketing your product as a Greenie and not a Goldie?

Seems like you missed an excellent opportunity...

~Matt

We will certainly go gold. After about 30 mins of trying to pay for the gold membership yesterday on Paypal (it wouldn't accept our business account), I decided to just buy green out of pocket. I'm calling the bank today for a couple of things, this is one of them.

We are absolutely interested in working with NES'ers on beta testing. Our current prototypes do not properly reflect our final product, we used them for in house testing. We are still a few weeks out from having final preproduction models in hand.

If you are interested in beta testing please feel free to PM me or email me at luke.yost@modzerodefense.com.

 

[MGnoob]

Just another thought...this would be kindof cool integrated into an upper receiver..it would make it a a model specific product, complicating it and driving up price.

 

[Mod Zero]

In other words, you setup a personal NES account rather than a vendor NES account.
His point about beta testing is valid to a point, why not involve the NES community in testing if you value our opinion and dollars so much?

This is our first step to plugging back into the NES community. Personally, I've been at school in PA for the past few years and just moved back to MA. Most of our team met at school in PA.
I was more active on the site as a junior shooter and am very excited to become reinvolved in this community, just a matter of one step at a time.

 

[bigblue]

Just another thought...this would be kindof cool integrated into an upper receiver..it would make it a a model specific product, complicating it and driving up price.

This would be more interesting to me since it would mitigate the height issue previously identified.

 

[Mod Zero]

Just another thought...this would be kindof cool integrated into an upper receiver..it would make it a a model specific product, complicating it and driving up price.

I like the way you think . We have a design in the works. There are some design intricacies we are working through. We want to focus on an initial product that is reverse compatible with all Picatinny rail rifles and verify a market interest.

It's hard to launch two competing products with limited funds.