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I agree completely, the defense will eat up a bunch unless their is a guilty plea. Between 3 dead and 8 others injured, just medical costs would be a sizable judgement. If the family has a second summer house, business, etc it’s all going.
The interesting thing will be whether this kid pleads guilty or wants to fight it. There are dozens of witnesses, maybe security footage etc so his guilt isn’t questionable. Would he try some insanity defense that has zero chance to work ? He’s under 18 and thanks to a SCOTUS ruling 10 years ago, he cannot be given a automatic life sentence without parole. And his age being 15, even a 50 year sentence means he’s getting out. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him charged for the 3 murders, 8 attempted and dozens of armed assaults, weapon charges, etc and sentenced consecutively to 185 years in prison before eligible for parole.
I’m guessing daddy’s screwed as well…As he should be. Doesn’t appear he locked up the gun ever and bought it for him
Photos show Oxford High School shooter posing with gun before sharing countdown to the school shooting
The 15-year-old shooter who opened fire on his Michigan high school was identified by authorities as Ethan Crumbley at a press conference on Wednesday, Dec. 1. Ethan shot anwww.lindaikejisblog.com
Isn't it more likely the insurance company will deny coverage?For $300k, $500k or even $1mil in a case like this, the insurance company will write a check and be done with it. There won’t be any ride and it sure as shit isn’t going to make anyone wealthy. When my sis was killed by a hit & run driver in September, her car insurance company didn’t even bat an eye at paying out the $250k Uninsured Auto policy limit. When fatalities are involved, let alone multiple ones, they’re not going to spend much time & energy defending it for a couple/few hundred grand.
They will deny coverage I imagine, but if a jury says the parents are liable then they're liable and the insurance company will have to pay. If it's a smaller Dollar limit, they'll probably just pay it and be done with it rather than also incurring the expense/publicity of fighting the legal battle. As I mentioned earlier, no one is going to get rich off suing the parents unless the parents are very wealthy.Isn't it more likely the insurance company will deny coverage?
I'm not familiar with school laws there, but sometimes it's a catch-22. Schools can get themselves in real liability if they raise an alarm that turns out to be a nothingburger, and the truth is that the VAST majority of these things are nothingburgers.
Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
By the time the parents pay for the legal defense and the civil cases that follow, they won't have a dime to buy ammo.Po-po came and took away all of daddy’s guns. You know, in case they leave the home by themselves to do further damage.
Our schools would do whatever they could to hide any criminal events in the schools. Drug dealing was commonplace and yet the denied it even existed. It finally came down to a Superintendent getting terminated when he tried to cover up drug use by a student.Schools can get themselves in real liability if they raise an alarm that turns out to be a nothingburger,
And that's the kind of brush-back pitch that might just convince the youtThe way my daughter’s high school handled it is they informed the local sheriff’s office of the posted comments that were vaguely threatening. The sheriff posted a few deputies to stake out the suspect and the school. Suspected party arrived on school grounds, opened his trunk. As soon as they could see the guns in the trunk they closed on him.
Had it been a bunch of hot air, some man hours would have been wasted for a few days, but nobody’s rights would have been violated. As it turned out the effort was well worth it.
Meh; they'd have been a lot smarter getting a search warrantThe way the sheriff saw it there was no higher priority so there was no question of dedicating resources to it.
Parents were also given a heads up with an honest assessment of the threat level and particulars without naming any names or pointing any fingers. This gave parents the opportunity to keep their kids home.
I thought it was all handled quite well. Nobody went all jackbooted/pre-crime on the kid but were in position to intervene before anyone got hurt.
It was not a definitive threat. Nothing they could get a warrant on or they would have.And that's the kind of brush-back pitch that might just convince the yout
to quite publishing revenge fantasies on social media.
Meh; they'd have been a lot smarter getting a search warrant
and tearing the kid's house apart. No one's rights would have been violated then, either.
I mean, can I get a show of hands?
How many NESers' reactions to a tip about an avowed active shooter threat
would include EMailing hundreds of parents about it,
secure in knowledge that none of the kids who'd get quizzed at home
would ever put two and two together and tell the shooter that they were on to him?
Is that really what passes for a cunning plan nowadays?
It's nice that they had the suspect's house staked out,
but at the very least they should have stopped him
at the end of the block - not on school grounds,
after he opened the trunk containing all the guns.
Small price to pay for not dead kids.Yeah. There are plenty of places where parents would object to ANY added LE presence in the schools, especially if it’s based on stuff found (and done) outside school hours.
They’d be clogging the principal’s phone line the whole next day. Seen it happen.
From your “hell no” link:
Small price to pay for not dead kids.
We were fortunate in the fact that the principal at her school Did. Not. Give. A f***. about getting a bunch of angry phone calls, etc.
The man had integrity and was a straight shooter. Freshman family orientation, the guy stands up in the middle of the basketball court, introduces himself, then tells us all that his number one priority is to give our kids back to us at the end of each day in the same shape they arrived in. Parents loved him, teachers loved him, students loved him. He could weather making an unpopular decision if he truly thought it was in our kids’ best interest. He didn’t push politics or interfere in things that should be left to families either. Just made sure each kid got a fair shake at an education and a positive school experience.
I know... We were extremely fortunate.
Yeah-yeah.
Now that is one cool gun law.From your “hell no” link:
”k) The provisions of this section shall not apply to a person who has a concealed handgun permit that is valid under Article 54B of this Chapter, or who is exempt from obtaining a permit pursuant to that Article, if any of the following conditions are met:
(1) The person has a handgun in a closed compartment or container within the person's locked vehicle or in a locked container securely affixed to the person's vehicle and only unlocks the vehicle to enter or exit the vehicle while the firearm remains in the closed compartment at all times and immediately locks the vehicle following the entrance or exit.
(FTFY).Permit or not, they’d have still needed an articulable reason or a pretext to search his trunk. I‘m confident that if they had one, they would have previous to him opening it.
inexcusable and unexplainable why gun was just laying around with no lock or was not in the safe, under such circumstances.still went ahead and bought a gun and immediately left it around for the boy to get ahold of.
Paraphrasing my best friend's favorite lines from Shakespeare.Parents charged!
inexcusable and unexplainable why gun was just laying around with no lock or was not in the safe, under such circumstances.
i can understand why he went with the kid into the store, but to keep gun in the open with a teen kid in the house is stupid.