Muzzleloaders Under New Law

[sig shooter]

It seems like the new law requires modern muzzleloaders to be registered with the state, as they are now “firearms”. Will this extend to traditional muzzleloaders like cap locks? Are flintlocks exempt? Cap and ball revolvers? This state is ridiculous.

 

[aphextwin11]

It seems like the new law requires modern muzzleloaders to be registered with the state, as they are now “firearms”. Will this extend to traditional muzzleloaders like cap locks? Are flintlocks exempt? Cap and ball revolvers? This state is ridiculous.

Who literally gives a f***

 

[chris_1001]

Who literally gives a f***

Mura does! Andrea also!

 

[pastera]

Does anyone read...

130 “Antique firearm”, any firearm or replica thereof manufactured in or prior to the year 1899 if such firearm: (i) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition; or (ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition that is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade; provided, that “antique firearm” shall include any muzzle loading rifle, shotgun or pistol that is designed to use black powder, or a black powder substitute, and that cannot use fixed ammunition, unless the firearm: (a) incorporates a firearm frame or receiver; (b) is converted into a muzzle loading firearm; or (c) is a muzzle loading firearm that can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination thereof.

230 “Firearm”, a stun gun, pistol, revolver, rifle, shotgun, sawed-off shotgun, large capacity firearm, assault-style firearm and machine gun, loaded or unloaded, which is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a shot or bullet; the frame or receiver of any such firearm or the unfinished frame or receiver of any such firearm; provided, however, that “firearm” shall not include any antique firearm or permanently inoperable firearm

An antique firearm is by definition not a firearm (wrap your head around that logic) so it isn't required to be registered as a firearm.

 

[chris_1001]

Thought you cannot carry a ball and cap revolver if you do not have an ltc?

 

[pastera]

Thought you cannot carry a ball and cap revolver if you do not have an ltc?

You would need an FID or LTC to possess the ammunition (yes the black powder is considered ammunition)
Otherwise, as far as I can see you only need an LTC to carry a firearm and a cap&ball is excluded from the definition of firearm.

 

[sig shooter]

Who literally gives a f***

I agree with this. However, when using such an arm for hunting, your chances of running into LE increase. For just owning and going to the range, who really gives a f***.

 

[sig shooter]

GOAL sent out a letter saying that all muzzleloaders that take a 209 primer need to be registered as firearms. All the Fudds on FB are freaking the f*** out. Lol

 

[nm1]

Section 15 of the bill, when redefining ‘antique firearm’ excludes any muzzleloader based on a modern receiver (like TC Encores, etc) or any design that can be converted to fire cartridges (fixed ammunition) by replacing the barrel, etc. so these would need to be registered.

Also, the term ‘fixed ammunition’ used in that section is not defined (intended to mean cartridge ammunition), where ‘ammunition’ is defined in MA law to include components like 209 primers.

 

[MAJoe]

GOAL sent out a letter saying that all muzzleloaders that take a 209 primer need to be registered as firearms. All the Fudds on FB are freaking the f*** out. Lol

Good. Maybe they’ll care more now.

 

[pastera]

GOAL sent out a letter saying that all muzzleloaders that take a 209 primer need to be registered as firearms. All the Fudds on FB are freaking the f*** out. Lol

And goal is not correct on that.

Read the definition of "antique firearm" that I quoted earlier in this thread

If it is a muzzle loader that cannot accept a fixed cartridge (rimfire or centerfire), it is not a firearm, period. The ignition method is not relevant.

GOAL is out crying wolf on a few easily debunked details which seriously detracts from the more important issues.
However it is true that you need an FID or LTC to possess the powder and primer/cap.

 

[pastera]

Section 15 of the bill, when redefining ‘antique firearm’ excludes any muzzleloader based on a modern receiver (like TC Encores, etc) or any design that can be converted to fire cartridges (fixed ammunition) by replacing the barrel, etc. so these would need to be registered.

Also, the term ‘fixed ammunition’ used in that section is not defined (intended to mean cartridge ammunition), where ‘ammunition’ is defined in MA law to include components like 209 primers.

The exclusion for frames/receiver is for a firearm frame or receiver - so you can't make a ML upper for an AR and call it a ML.
Yes, the Encore is excluded since it is designed as a convertible system.

As far as "fixed ammunition" goes, that term has a clear, well known definition that is used in the law so no further definition is required.