My Position On The 1911 Debate Has Been Changed

[dcmdon]

Thanks. I never knew that.

Now that I think of it, I don't really shoot without a mag. I can't remember the last time I pulled the trigger on a semiauto with a live round in the chamber and no mag.

I can't really think of a situation where it would matter if it stovepiped on the last round like that.

 

[Supermoto]

Thanks. I never knew that.

Now that I think of it, I don't really shoot without a mag. I can't remember the last time I pulled the trigger on a semiauto with a live round in the chamber and no mag.

I can't really think of a situation where it would matter if it stovepiped on the last round like that.

True
but would you rather have a gun that requires case support to eject or one that doesn't. What happens when the window of reliability gets smaller as springs wear?

Plus I find it annoying when people ULSC and the round falls out the mag well

 

[bill o]

Thanks. I never knew that.

Now that I think of it, I don't really shoot without a mag. I can't remember the last time I pulled the trigger on a semiauto with a live round in the chamber and no mag.

I can't really think of a situation where it would matter if it stovepiped on the last round like that.

Occasionally in practice I'll drop the mag then fire the round instead of a proper ULSC, to get some strong hand only practice. That's the only reason I know this. I agree it's not a big concern in the context of a critical dynamic incident.

 

[Mike-Mike]

John Moses Browning for the WIN!!!

Him and the guy that invented Yoga pants! American Heroes

 

[45collector]

My 1911 was made in 1917 and somewhere in time during refurbishing the military replaced the slide with a Singer. In 1975 I bought it from Ivanhoe's in Watertown while I was in the Corps. I ended up putting a brand new WW2 still in the wrap with cosmoline a barrel, Colt slide, arched grip and the A1 grip safety. I've put thousands of rounds through it and never had any form of malfunction. I field strip it and clean the firing pin and extractor every time.

Soooo, whatever happened to the Singer slide?!!!

 

[maritz01]

Sold it to the Gunny in the armory for $150 plus the new Colt slide, barrel and other parts. Now the entire pistol is Colt again.

 

[greencobra]

Folks, there's nothing wrong with either style of extractor. The only draw back is the issue of changing the external one. Usually it's just a little beyond the kitchen table gunsmiths skill set. And I wouldn't want that gunsmith polishing and bending my extractor anyway. I own currently several of each style that are 25 years old, some older, and have seen thousands and thousands of rounds. Never had an extractor broken or needed one re-tuned. It has also been my experience that most peoples opinion on this come from reading it somewhere and not hands on experience. Until I start seeing catastrophic failures on my own stuff I'll continue with the opinion that "they're all good."

 

[Supermoto]

Folks, there's nothing wrong with either style of extractor. The only draw back is the issue of changing the external one. Usually it's just a little beyond the kitchen table gunsmiths skill set. And I wouldn't want that gunsmith polishing and bending my extractor anyway. I own currently several of each style that are 25 years old, some older, and have seen thousands and thousands of rounds. Never had an extractor broken or needed one re-tuned. It has also been my experience that most peoples opinion on this come from reading it somewhere and not hands on experience. Until I start seeing catastrophic failures on my own stuff I'll continue with the opinion that "they're all good."

25y old guns with thousand and thousand of rounds probably isn't a gun that is being pushed very hard, especially if you haven't broken parts or had to tune them.

 

[6Gears1Speed]

Folks, there's nothing wrong with either style of extractor. The only draw back is the issue of changing the external one. Usually it's just a little beyond the kitchen table gunsmiths skill set. And I wouldn't want that gunsmith polishing and bending my extractor anyway. I own currently several of each style that are 25 years old, some older, and have seen thousands and thousands of rounds. Never had an extractor broken or needed one re-tuned. It has also been my experience that most peoples opinion on this come from reading it somewhere and not hands on experience. Until I start seeing catastrophic failures on my own stuff I'll continue with the opinion that "they're all good."

I'm not really saying there's anything wrong with either of them. Both have pros and cons. I just figured I'd share the fact that even a hard headed non-traditionalist techie who likes cool new stuff over boring dated stuff now appreciates the fact that an old design like the 1911 internal extractor isn't as clunky and obsolete as I first thought . Again, I was actually making fun of it in another thread so I thought a public statement that the purists have a good argument would be in order.

 

[dcmdon]

True
but would you rather have a gun that requires case support to eject or one that doesn't. What happens when the window of reliability gets smaller as springs wear?

Plus I find it annoying when people ULSC and the round falls out the mag well

Like I said above. I really don't shoot much without a mag. But I did go through the unload and show clear drill hundreds or thousands of times. I never had the round do anything other than eject normally.

Maybe I just got lucky with guns with correct extractor tension.

 

[greencobra]

being pushed very hard

Don't really know what this means. Do I beat the crap out of 'em? No. But I do shoot them as much as possible with an even mix of factory hardball and reloads. Just well maintained. But still never a hint of extracter failure but I will concede there is some wear on a couple.

 

[Supermoto]

Don't really know what this means. Do I beat the crap out of 'em? No. But I do shoot them as much as possible with an even mix of factory hardball and reloads. Just well maintained. But still never a hint of extracter failure but I will concede there is some wear on a couple.

You say "It has also been my experience that most peoples opinion on this come from reading it somewhere and not hands on experience." You have 25 year old guns with thousand and thousand for rounds thru them. Even if you have 50,000 thru them, 2k rounds a year is not exactly "hands on experience"

So when I say "pushed very hard" I mean it, when you shoot a 1911 enough, extractors loose tension and break. If you haven't had that happen, then you haven't shot enough

 

[Dan S]

The aftec extractors works well. But you are replacing 1 part for 3.

Actually it's 4 parts, 2 springs, cap and hook. Where have I heard that comment before?