I'm going to be taking some courses at the Sig academy over the next couple of months. If you take a course there they offer 20% off from the gift shop including firearms. I'm wondering if it's worth it to buy a brand new Sig226 and paying for it to be transferred to a MA shop such as FSguns to pick it up. I'm trying to find out what it takes to get it shipped and the total cost. From there i'd like to see if my 20% actually saves me a good amount or am I better off buying it brand new from FSguns.
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Opinion on buying a new Sig226
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WaldoOneFive
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The Sigs they have up there arn't the "MA Compliant" ones you would need to be able to get it from any old FFL in MA... If you really wanted to get one of those models, you would have to find an FFL that would transfer those versions to you, otherwise, I would just but a Sig that is already in MA. You don't get your discount, but this is exactly why this state sucks.
WaldoOneFive
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Yup.
I liked the sig 239 when i shot it but the one thing i hated was over time the slide release was just too tough for me to use. When i got tired at the range i had to stop and use my other hand to get that thing down cause my strong hand was worn out. its an akwardly places slide release at least for me and its too small. Its why i opted for an Hk Usp compact in 9mm slide release is huge and in the middle . Great for the thumbs forward , for me of course.
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The "MA compliant" Sigs have the exact same triggers as the Sigs in the free world. Stop FUDing.
And if one of the nicest DA/SA triggers available is "strange" I'm Krusty the Clown.
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TWtommers
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Don't use the slide release. It's really a slide stop rather than a release. Most folks get in the practice of releasing the slide by gripping it from the back, pulling it back, and letting it slam home when reloading. Typically, although it varies, this is the method preferred in a semi auto's manual. The slide stop has a lot of tension on it as it's holding back the slide against the spring so it's never "easy" to use as a release.
Also, many instructors will warn that the fine motor skills required to operate a slide stop with a finger will be temporarily unavailable in a real life self defense scenario as a body alarm response will reroute a lot of blood from your extremities to your major muscles. So, you can use the slide stop if you want but I wouldn't base you gun choice on it.
This is just speculation, but I don't see why Sig couldn't sell you a Mass Compliant model and transfer it to Mass and you would still get your 20 percent discount. When you are at the Academy you are essentially at the factory and I would think that they could provide you with just about any model you wanted. I'd at least ask before ASSUMING that they wouldn't sell you one.
As far as triggers go, Sig has the reputation of having one of the best or even the best traditional double action triggers. Even the Mass Models are smooth. IMO if you are looking for an all metal pistol in traditional double action semi-auto configuration, the Sig Classic Line is hard to beat.
Mark L.
As far as triggers go, Sig has the reputation of having one of the best or even the best traditional double action triggers. Even the Mass Models are smooth. IMO if you are looking for an all metal pistol in traditional double action semi-auto configuration, the Sig Classic Line is hard to beat.
Mark L.
True the slide release may not be used in real life but , i cant see an encounter taking 11 bullets and if it does, well the hk will automatically push the slide forward when you even lightly slam the magazine in, so you save time in getting your BG aquired in the sights faster.
Last I knew SRTs weren't typically MA compliant, although I could be wrong about that. You also (usually) won't find any single action sigs in MA, either.
I agree otherwise, though, that stock P series MA guns are no different from the factory than the same type of guns in free states. Same DA pull weight and everything.
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MA compliant P226s have the "old" SIG trigger which has an overly long reset. In an effort to improve this trigger, SIG introduced the SRT, or short reset trigger, which is an improvement but is not yet MA compliant. I speak from experience as I just purchased a P226 with the MA compliant trigger and paid quite a bit of $ to have it converted to the "SRT" mode.
PS How are things under the "Big Top"?
The SRT does have a nice reset. However, IME, they also have a heavier, grittier DA vs. the standard trigger. So it is a tradeoff.
FWIW, I was at Blue Northern today and they had a 226 with the E2 grips. Usually the 226 E2 has the short reach, thin trigger. Usually that goes with the SRT but I believe it can be used on the regular reset trigger parts.
Back to the OP's original point, I don't think the price you will get at a MA store is much different than after the discount. Remember the discount is off the retail price and you need to add dealer fee assuming shipping is free which it might not be. The prices at Four Seasons specially has been exceptional...
Use the discount for magazines, conversion kits etc...
Use the discount for magazines, conversion kits etc...
Unfortunately the heavier trigger is part of the SRT package. I mentioned this option in response to a post that claimed that ALL SIG triggers were MA compliant, which is obviously not true. Several gunsmiths consider the SRT package a step in the wrong direction. Bruce Gray (GGI, Inc.) has his own solution for the problem which, while not cheap, gives you a superb trigger. I know because Bruce did an excellent job on my P226. BTW, he is the only gunsmith that I know of that guarantees his work for life.
The mechanics of the SIG trigger are complicated and, while I think I understand them, I am not up to explaining them. The SIG forum is a wealth of information and a good start for those intending to purchase a SIG pistol.
All other guns aside, I can't think of a gun that more obviously has a "release" than a Sig. I mean, jeez, they practically have a blinking billboard on it that says "PRESS HERE".
This control and its positioning are a major factor in shoot-ability of the P series.
I just took a course up there. They do have compliant models available. You can even get a Mass Compliant model with the E2 Grips. That will be my next purchase.
Pricing varies. Four Seasons has better prices on mosquitoes than the pro shop with the discount. The shop lists MSRP; Retail; then Student Price. Give them a call and they can answer your questions.
I think the 226 with the E2 installed was around $940.
Pricing varies. Four Seasons has better prices on mosquitoes than the pro shop with the discount. The shop lists MSRP; Retail; then Student Price. Give them a call and they can answer your questions.
I think the 226 with the E2 installed was around $940.
The slingshot technique is frequently taught in pistol classes and I have been taught it, and what you say is conventional wisdom. I think it came out of IPSC when a lot of shooters were fumbling with the slide release on their race guns. However, I learned to shoot a semi-automatic before being formally trained, and I always use the slide release. Since this is ingrained, I am not too concerned about not being able to do it under stress.
I find that the slide release on the Sig P229 (same position as the P226) to be ergonomically fine for me. Your experience may be different.
Mark L.
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Competition shooters pretty universally use the release, as it's measurably faster. Some USPSA/IPSC shooters are forced to rack the slide as many race-guns are setup to not lock open on an empty magazine. They don't do it on purpose, though, it's a sign of running out of ammunition unexpectedly.
Kyle Lamb who is considered one of the best combat instructors in the country advocates using the slide latch/stop lever as its much quicker then the slingshot method. Kyle's not against the slingshot technique but feels the use of the slide stop is faster.
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My point being that there is no such thing as a "Mass trigger" in a Sig. The trigger in a "Mass compliant" Sig is the same trigger you'll get in the equivalent model gun in any other state. They don't ship a special trigger in MA guns. True, we're limited to the basic plain-Jane non-SRT models here but that has less to do with the trigger and more to do with the fact that Sig hasn't run those models through the stupid MA testing yet.
And just our of curiosity, in your opinion who has a better DA/SA trigger?
I bought a new P229 E2 at Fourseasons and it has the SRT trigger.
Not to be argumentative, but are you sure it's the Short Reset Trigger and not just the Short Reach Trigger? SIG does list the latest 229 with the new E2 grips as being MA compliant. They also show it with the short reach trigger saddle.
http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p229.aspx
However, there's more to a SRT trigger than just that thin trigger saddle and they don't specify that the regular 229 has the SRT trigger.
hows about you check out whats in the classified's P30
http://www.northeastshooters.com/cl...9mm-lem-lnib-1-100-00-massachusetts-l487.html
if i were not already in a deal for a USP compact 9mm i would buy the P 30 .. i think its better than a 226. yes i know its a little bit more but its already got a Light lem, night sights, and 4 mags..
http://www.northeastshooters.com/cl...9mm-lem-lnib-1-100-00-massachusetts-l487.html
if i were not already in a deal for a USP compact 9mm i would buy the P 30 .. i think its better than a 226. yes i know its a little bit more but its already got a Light lem, night sights, and 4 mags..
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Not to be argumentative, but are you sure it's the Short Reset Trigger and not just the Short Reach Trigger? SIG does list the latest 229 with the new E2 grips as being MA compliant. They also show it with the short reach trigger saddle.
http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p229.aspx
However, there's more to a SRT trigger than just that thin trigger saddle and they don't specify that the regular 229 has the SRT trigger.
Now that you mention it I am not sure. It's not the Elite so it seems it has to be the short reach rather than the Short Reset... I just assumed it was as the first pull in DA is a long pull, then every shot in SA feels like I'm only moving the trigger back about 1/4". It's a really nice trigger feel that doesn't need any modifications.
I have only put about 100 rounds through it so will have to pay more attention to it this weekend
That you say it's 1/4" in SA makes me think it's not an SRT. You can dry fire it and figure it out. If you pull the trigger and hold it all the way back, then cycle the slide so the hammer is cocked, then start to release the trigger, the SRT will take about 1/8" to reset (you'll hear and feel the click). The regular trigger is more like 1/4" for the reset.
Thanks for that. I will test it out but am sure you are correct that it's not the Short Reset, but the Short Reach. Kind of misleading they have a "Short Reach Trigger" option and a "Short Reset Trigger" option and you can get one or both. Maybe they should have named it the E2/SRT2
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