Pa. teen charged in foiled school attack plot

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By MARYCLAIRE DALE
Associated Press Writer


PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- A 15-year-old boy stole his father's guns to use in a suicidal attack against enemies at his suburban Philadelphia high school but was thwarted when a friend threw the weapons in a river, authorities said.

The alleged plot was uncovered after the father reported the three weapons missing, prompting a police investigation that led to an attempted murder charge filed Tuesday against his son.

The Pottstown High School freshman was being held in a secure facility, Montgomery County District Attorney Risa Vetri Ferman told The Associated Press. He does not yet have a lawyer, and no court dates are scheduled, she said.

Authorities say he took the a revolver, two semiautomatic pistols and ammunition from his father's basement gun locker in early November. He gave them to a friend, hoping the friend would take them to school when directed, authorities said.

Instead, the friend told his stepmother about the weapons, and she drove the boy to a river so he could get rid of them, investigators said. Police dive teams recovered the handguns.

Ferman described the suspect as a loner with a history of depression and mental-health problems. While previously a good student, he was repeating his freshman year, she said.

The teen initially planned to carry out the attack this year but delayed it until next year because school officials, aware of the stolen gun report, had stepped up security. The teen told investigators he was going to shoot people he did not like, then himself, authorities said.

The charge is attempted murder because the teen took "substantial steps" - stealing the guns and giving them to the friend - to carry out the crime, Ferman said.

"He had gotten so far along in that plan that he had the immediate capacity to commit the crime," she said.

The Pottstown School District, about 40 miles northwest of Philadelphia, has about 3,200 students.

The same district attorney's office last year accused a 14-year-old of amassing a cache of weapons and plotting an assault on a high school. The teen, who had been bullied and pulled out of public school in the seventh grade, admitted to three felonies - criminal solicitation, risking a catastrophe and possession of an instrument of crime - and is now in a juvenile center.

(This version CORRECTS the story to say that the teen is being held in a secure facility instead of a mental health center.)
 
So instead of going to the police, the retarded mother has the son throw the guns in the river?! Sounds like a responsible parent to me...
 
Argh...News Shooter. You beat me to it. I was just getting ready to post this story. Oh well. Kudos good sir. [smile]

Didn't expect mama to out her boy, did ya?
My understanding of the events was that it wasn't the mother of the boy who stole the guns. It was the mother of the boy who was given the guns. That boy, whether he knew it or not, did the right thing: he told an adult. Unfortunately, in this case, the adult was really stupid. Lady, when a teenage kid hands you three guns and tells you they're stolen, throwing them in a lake is not an option!

According to the CNN print of this report the guns were being stored in a "secured gun locker". I'd sure like to know more about this "secured" gun locker. I may be jumping to conclusions here but it sounds to me like the dad dropped the ball on the "secured" part.
 
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The charge is attempted murder because the teen took "substantial steps" - stealing the guns and giving them to the friend - to carry out the crime, Ferman said.

What I dont get is the laws dissasociation with the english language. To attempt murder wouldn't you have to go beyond the planning stage? Wouldnt you have to actually attempt murdering someone? I could understand "conspiracy to commit murder" but not attempted murder.

I know it is nitpicky but it is something that bugs me. Not that the kid should not be locked up. He should. Get him some mental help. Just charge him with what he actually did, not with trumped up baloney that he did not do.
 
According to the CNN print of this report the guns were being stored in a "secured gun locker". I'd sure like to know more about this "secured" gun locker. I may be jumping to conclusions here but it sounds to me like the dad dropped the ball on the "secured" part.
Let's not forget that most free states don't require their citizens to lock up their guns. Secure storage laws are unique to a few communist strongholds ion this country. IMNSHO the fathers "dropping of the ball" most likely occurred with how he raised his child, not with how he stored his firearms.
 
Let's not forget that most free states don't require their citizens to lock up their guns. Secure storage laws are unique to a few communist strongholds ion this country. IMNSHO the fathers "dropping of the ball" most likely occurred with how he raised his child, not with how he stored his firearms.
Well, I don't know what the storage laws are in Pennsylvania where this took place but it's a moot point. The article clearly identified them as being stored in a "secured" locker. So, state laws or not, it seems that the dad purchased a secured locker. Why would you buy a lockable gun cabinet and then leave it unlocked?
 
It seems to me that "secured" may be quite accurate. What came to mind is that I have friends who live in "free" states where they do have excellent security for their firearms and their teenage kids have either keys or combinations to access them. The Secured part is referring in this case to secured from access by those they have not granted access to.

Just my opinion on this for the less than .02 it is worth!
 
Well, I don't know what the storage laws are in Pennsylvania where this took place but it's a moot point. The article clearly identified them as being stored in a "secured" locker. So, state laws or not, it seems that the dad purchased a secured locker. Why would you buy a lockable gun cabinet and then leave it unlocked?

Who says it was unlocked?
 
Let's not forget that most free states don't require their citizens to lock up their guns. Secure storage laws are unique to a few communist strongholds ion this country. IMNSHO the fathers "dropping of the ball" most likely occurred with how he raised his child, not with how he stored his firearms.

Absolutely the truth and the whole point.

Why would you buy a lockable gun cabinet and then leave it unlocked?

Because some of us can. The fact it's lockable is insignificant to some of us. The house door is locked, and that's enough. We didn't buy it for the lock, we bought for the storage.

Who says it was unlocked?

Bingo! I'm thinking the lad either had access, or knew where the key was.

Irrelevant anyways, Dad failed to raise him right, failed to see the trouble here (as did the teachers and school staff) and failed to do his job as a father.

FWIW, my son (and daughter) had access to all of the firearms when they were growing up. THey knew how to use them, SAFELY, and could use certain ones any time they wished.

Of course, I don't live in a Socialist manure pit (cleaned it up from the proper term), either.
 
Who says it was unlocked?
"Unsecured" then.
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Because some of us can. The fact it's lockable is insignificant to some of us. The house door is locked, and that's enough. We didn't buy it for the lock, we bought for the storage.
To each their own, but lots of storage units are available. Why buy one that can be secured then leave it unsecured? That sounds to me like buying a car with a custom sound system and then never listening to it. In both cases why pay extra for a feature you don't plan on using?

Regardless, the real question I want to know more about is what was the stupid step-mother thinking when she thought throwing the guns in a creek was a good idea?
 
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"Unsecured" then.

To each their own, but lots of storage units are available. Why buy one that can be secured then leave it unsecured? That sounds to me like buying a car with a custom sound system and then never listening to it. In both cases why pay extra for a feature you don't plan on using?

Regardless, the real question I want to know more about is what was the stupid step-mother thinking when she thought throwing the guns in a creek was a good idea?

You have absolutely no idea how they guy's guns were "secured". Anybody with an inclination to do so can open a Stack-On cabinet in 5 minutes with one tool. He might have had one of those.
 
You have absolutely no idea how they guy's guns were "secured". Anybody with an inclination to do so can open a Stack-On cabinet in 5 minutes with one tool. He might have had one of those.
You're absolutely right. That's why, in my first post on this topic I wrote:
"I'd sure like to know more about this 'secured' gun locker."

...and in that same post I also specifically conceded that:
"I may be jumping to conclusions here but it sounds to me like the dad dropped the ball on the 'secured' part."
 
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