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What got him was they were bragging about how they set people up like it was a cool thing to do and everyone else was supposed to be impressed .I remember being at FLETC Glynco, GA. for The Maritime Operations course. Every one in the various classes for "In Service Training" was in the two tone blue, Not the ATF they had their own area of the Mess Hall and were wearing T shirts that said ATF Police across the back. Oh, they were some special. Total Egotistical A$$HOLES!!!
Depends on who you are selling them to. Me selling 10 guns in NO East? I'm not taking that bet.If I sell 10 guns and Bass Pro sells 1000, they are probably going to have more guns used in illegal activities, right?
An anecdote of failure to do bad things isn't data.
Anecdatum. Singular.That's "anecdata."
I have a friend who works part time at a pretty big gun shop in the area.
I'm sure there is propaganda on both sides.
They all look like they just got off the buttfvck bus.
I have a friend who works part time at a pretty big gun shop in the area.
He was saying that the ATF showed up to do an inspection. They apparently found some paperwork issues that had to be cleaned up. The shop did not get shut down, and the ATF guys were polite and professional. According to the pro-gun press, the ATF under pressure from Ice Cream Joe and his elves are shutting down every gun shop who even fails to dot an I or cross a T. As of today, the shop is still open, and selling iron.
Maybe those shut down shops were really doing questionable stuff, or were really negligent. Or maybe something else other than some trivial paperwork issues were going on. Who knows?
Maybe there's propaganda on both sides.
I got bagged for 105 in a 30 and improper passing with no ticket and a 30 minute roadside chat about cars (1989 Thunderbird SC 5 speed)This. It's like saying the cops are great when you got pulled over doing 130 and the cop you got was cool and was more impressed than pissed off because you happened to get a good guy that day...
Meanwhile a fair amount of the people he works with..... are often at varying levels on the flaming douchebag scale....
What lie exactly did I equate as fact? and who got me to post anything? All I posted about was the propaganda aspect of the op's post. Are you saying that you don't believe both sides utilize propaganda to further their objectives?Introduction to social engineering 101
Step 1: post a completely baseless and unprovable lie that is the opposite of what's happening
Step 2: get someone to post a statement that equates a lie from Step 1 to facts, thus making them appear to have the same value
Step 3: watch everyone make tangential statements that assume the lie from Step 1 is as real as the reality.
What a bunch of lemmings....
We only had one when we had our FFL.I’ve always found the ATF to be the easiest government agency to deal with. But they know everything about me and how dumb I am considering how much paperwork I filled out wrong.
And when we crashed the original e-file system because it auto populated other peoples wrong answers.
Then you’re told him you’re crossing state lines that pretty much is un red flag…
Likely, I’ve dealt with a lot of Undercovers as well and I wouldn’t cooperate with their frame job
I was going about 135 but he only clocked me at 96. Told me I understand why your passed the first three cars but then you didn’t stop.I got bagged for 105 in a 30 and improper passing with no ticket and a 30 minute roadside chat about cars (1989 Thunderbird SC 5 speed)
God was looking out for me that day and the cop had never seen a Super Coupe but knew the sound of a roots blower...
All that proved is that cops are a reflection of society - not a perfect one but still a reflection of the good, bad and indifferent.
Unfortunately there seems to be more bad than good out there today.
I want negative karma backI have a friend who works part time at a pretty big gun shop in the area.
He was saying that the ATF showed up to do an inspection. They apparently found some paperwork issues that had to be cleaned up. The shop did not get shut down, and the ATF guys were polite and professional. According to the pro-gun press, the ATF under pressure from Ice Cream Joe and his elves are shutting down every gun shop who even fails to dot an I or cross a T. As of today, the shop is still open, and selling iron.
Maybe those shut down shops were really doing questionable stuff, or were really negligent. Or maybe something else other than some trivial paperwork issues were going on. Who knows?
Maybe there's propaganda on both sides.
No, the fact that you equate anti-American and dicatatorial attitudes of anti-gunners and the ATF with the side that is pro-2A, pro-freedom, and pro-American.What lie exactly did I equate as fact? and who got me to post anything? All I posted about was the propaganda aspect of the op's post. Are you saying that you don't believe both sides utilize propaganda to further their objectives?
Sounds like what Democrats normally do.The decision on whether to initiate license revocation is not made by the inspector on the ground doing the inspection. It is made by his management or the head of the local ATF office.
USC requires that certain intentional actions are taken by license holders to qualify for revocation. The current administration has decided that certain mistakes are inherently intentional actions meant to violate the law and terms of your license. Many of these new mistakes are just that, common and easy to make mistakes.
If any of these newly identified super mistakes occur, the inspectors MUST raise them to their management to decide what the consequences will be. In the past these would be just that, mistakes, and you would document them and your corrective action and that would be the end of it. If they happened on your next inspection, you might get your mistake escalated to the next level. The hierarchy for mistakes is
Outside of failing to run backgrounds for someone known to be prohibited, it was essentially impossible to jump all the way to revocation previously. Now they often skip all the levels of escalation and go directly to revocation for what used to be considered a simple clerical error.
- verbal
- documented
- warning letter
- called into ATF office for meeting and warning
- revocation
So one story of one shop where they made clerical errors that are still considered clerical errors, is of ZERO value in the discussion.
They are definitely ramping up their ability to shut down shops. They are definitely in violation of the actual law as written. They are being sued in multiple federal jurisdictions as a result and eventually this should result in their new methodology getting shot down. But that is the way of the new ATF: over reach intentionally and do as much damage as you can before the courts reign you in.
Sure thing buddy, whatever you say.No, the fact that you equate anti-American and dicatatorial attitudes of anti-gunners and the ATF with the side that is pro-2A, pro-freedom, and pro-American.
No, there no moral equivalence between the two sides. Your post just accepted the premise that the were and you repeated it again.
Bass Pro Hooksett better watch it, the ATF is watching.
Is your local gun shop selling guns used in crimes? This list of stores is on ATF's radar.
Gun violence prevention groups say small business practices can help prevent illegal firearm trafficking.www.usatoday.com
lol.Everyone assumes the worst on their opponent. Nature of hte beast. How often have you seen a douchebag cop video on YT. Ever interact with a cop? Ever find he's a d-bag? I've yet to encounter one.
I would say your rank and file ATF worker is just that. They have no political agenda. Just doing their job.
I did get a line Nazi at Penn Station on Tuesday. Guy MADE everyone walking triple the distance to go down to the Acela because that's how HE wanted it. Berated people for moving hte MOVABLE ropes. LOL. D-bags everywhere. He was the only douche I bumped into in all of NYC.