Personal transfer

not new guy said:
I never really understood one thing about running personal transfers through an FFL - maybe that means I don't sell enough guns to have had to worry about it - but does the FFL have to worry about the transferred gun being compliant with whatever bullshit lists or conditions FFLs have to comply with in MA or do they just pass it through? It hits their books, right? I could swear I've had some dealers transfer anything and others balk at some stuff.
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The dealer has to comply so that limits what guns can be transferred via FFL.
 
Mountain said:
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EFA10 portal is active. If I needed to conduct a sale or registration I'd use it. Also I'd stick to the 4 max per year and after that go to a FFL.
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Is her name Flickda or is that what she just did before that picture?????


Oh, and registration - ROFL!!!! Theoretically, this could bounce the entire "transaction" system in mASS. "Oh, sorry. You changed the law and that law is now unconstitutional."
 
namedpipes said:
The old paper FA10s are still online here: https://www.northeastshooters.com/xen/resources/online-fa10-pdf.2/

Although I'm skeptical the form would be accepted even if one mailed it in.
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Under the old law, if you manufactured or built a gun you were required to report the transaction IN WRITING. They never changed the language to require or even allow reporting via the eFA10 system.

If you in that period sent in a paper FA10 for a build or assembly you would have been in full 100% compliance with the law as written. They would not actually accept/record the information and they’d send back the form with a nastygram, but you’d have complied with the law. It wasn’t your problem if they chose to ignore the report.
 
namedpipes said:
The old paper FA10s are still online here: https://www.northeastshooters.com/xen/resources/online-fa10-pdf.2/

Although I'm skeptical the form would be accepted even if one mailed it in.
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Yeah. That would be awful if you submitted the paperwork and they refused it. ROFL!!!! "Hey, we can't accept this." "Well, the guy is in teh wind, so. . . . . "


milktree said:
Under the old law, if you manufactured or built a gun you were required to report the transaction IN WRITING. They never changed the language to require or even allow reporting via the eFA10 system.

If you in that period sent in a paper FA10 for a build or assembly you would have been in full 100% compliance with the law as written. They would not actually accept/record the information and they’d send back the form with a nastygram, but you’d have complied with the law. It wasn’t your problem if they chose to ignore the report.
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Oops!
 
not new guy said:
I never really understood one thing about running personal transfers through an FFL - maybe that means I don't sell enough guns to have had to worry about it - but does the FFL have to worry about the transferred gun being compliant with whatever bullshit lists or conditions FFLs have to comply with in MA or do they just pass it through? It hits their books, right? I could swear I've had some dealers transfer anything and others balk at some stuff.
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Yes. Wether they care or not is a whole other story. I never had issues as i knew up front what dealers moved X Y or Z.
 
milktree said:
Under the old law, if you manufactured or built a gun you were required to report the transaction IN WRITING. They never changed the language to require or even allow reporting via the eFA10 system.

If you in that period sent in a paper FA10 for a build or assembly you would have been in full 100% compliance with the law as written. They would not actually accept/record the information and they’d send back the form with a nastygram, but you’d have complied with the law. It wasn’t your problem if they chose to ignore the report.
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I think eventually they did actually amend the law or something to mention the electronic portal.... but you are right in the effect that for years there was this stupid cat and mouse game with EOPS / FRB over paper FA10s.
 
drgrant said:
I think eventually they did actually amend the law or something to mention the electronic portal.... but you are right in the effect that for years there was this stupid cat and mouse game with EOPS / FRB over paper FA10s.
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Not only did they fix it. They had changed it so that you had to report at the time of transaction. So now you had to have WiFi at the point of sale which made it kind of a pain in the ass if you didn’t have a hotspot. I think the new law bumped it back up to 7 days. But now it’s not just the seller who reports. It’s seller and buyer both have to do it.
 
drgrant said:
I think eventually they did actually amend the law or something to mention the electronic portal.... but you are right in the effect that for years there was this stupid cat and mouse game with EOPS / FRB over paper FA10s.
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KH56010 said:
Not only did they fix it. They had changed it so that you had to report at the time of transaction. So now you had to have WiFi at the point of sale which made it kind of a pain in the ass if you didn’t have a hotspot. I think the new law bumped it back up to 7 days. But now it’s not just the seller who reports. It’s seller and buyer both have to do it.
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They fixed it for personal transfers between LTC holders, yes.

But for home built /registration/bought out of state stuff, they never did.
 
center442 said:
It gets returned to sender. Check out this old thread: Confirmed instances of .pdf/paper FA-10 form rejection by MA FRB
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With a fresh stamp, I hope, otherwise the FRB is comitting postal fraud by opening the envelope, determining they don't want it and then returning it. They'd have to MAIL it back.

BTW, this is completely hypothetical. I don't even live in Mass anymore. Just speculating on ways to (lawfully) make life miserable for anyone operating the beaurocracy.
 
namedpipes said:
With a fresh stamp, I hope, otherwise the FRB is comitting postal fraud by opening the envelope, determining they don't want it and then returning it. They'd have to MAIL it back.

BTW, this is completely hypothetical. I don't even live in Mass anymore. Just speculating on ways to (lawfully) make life miserable for anyone operating the beaurocracy.
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It was a long time ago, so my memory may be faulty, but I believe folks said it was mailed back, but I don't know if they did it with a new stamp.

I remember people being pissed off that they had to have a device and an internet connection to register the transaction.

I liked the paper forms because it required work by the state to scan and then look for errors in the OCR result..
which I'm sure they did, right? 😉
 
Tsim94 said:
If thats the case then all the ARs being listed as pre 8/1 would technically need to be fixed mags or single shot, right? Honestly, there's barely any fixed mag guns sold on here and it's actually a good thing IMO. It means most people still have their pride and not willing to comply to these BS laws...
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8/1 ARs are legal rifles and can be transferred via FFL or private party. They don’t need to comply with the new ASF requirements.
 

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