Replacement stock for an SW MP15. Is the one that comes standard with the MA compliant version easily swapped out after removing the roll pin? Does anyone know if the buffer tube is mil-spec and of carbine length, so that I can replace the stock that comes with it with a higher quality adjustable stock? I don't want an A2 stock, so don't suggest it. So basically I need to know if I'll need an entirely new buffer tube/spring set or I can just replace the stock. Of course this new will be immediately re-pinned. Thanks in advance.
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replacement stock for SW MP15
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Good luck removing the pin! I am now looking at mine and mine does not look like it was driven into the plastic, but heated and melted. I think you will have to drill it out. Good luck on this, and I am eager to hear the responces due to me wanting the same thing!!
If you must have the look of a collapsable stock - any will do and you will likely need to replace the tube. If you want the utility of a collapsable, (short, handy), but true cheek-weld and utility for a fighting rifle, then get a Sully. They come complete with tube, spring and buffer...It's a form over function thing. If you want the cool look of a pinned stock, then go for it. If you want the function of a true carbine length CQB stock, then those on NES who have them, or those who have used mine will attest to the excellence of the Sully Stock...
So at this point I think an entirely new buffer tube is order along with the stock. The buffer tube seems pretty long and wouldn't allow for the distance I would want to pin my stock at. I think it's "rifle length"? Does the rifle length buffer tube have any advantages in terms of gas pressure. Anyone willing to help me find the proper materials? I have searched the net and found what I need....... I think. I just hate ordering things and then having to return them. I am looking for mil-spec U.S. made everything and have settled on a magpul stock. I have really taken to the AR platform, but am still learning. Thanks for the help thus far and any following suggestions or links.
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On the M&P15 I believe stock is a faux collapsible stock - it is not a collapsible stock pinned. If you look at the back of the stock the tube is to the end of the stock and there are no other position holes on the tube. I cannot remember if it is using a A2 buffer and spring or a CAR buffer and spring. Check it out and see what you have...
If you want a Magpul PRS and you have a CAR buffer and spring then you will have to purchase all of the stock components - buffer spring, buffer, and A2 tube.
If you want a Magpul PRS and you have a CAR buffer and spring then you will have to purchase all of the stock components - buffer spring, buffer, and A2 tube.
I found a lot of stuff on the net, but its all just hearsay and not official enough to chance losing a rifle over.
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I just did some searching around and I saw a LOT of opinions, and the are like @$$holes and everyone has one. I would not
in a million years want to lose any rights or weapons and it sure would be nice to know what is right and what is wrong.
here is some of the info Ive seen so far:
So you buy an adjustable stock and then put either screws or a bolt in it so that you have to use tools to move it. As I understand the way the law reads, an adjustable stock is one where as you can adjust it without the use of any tools. If you drill and tap the bottom of the stock to where you can put an allen headed set screw in it, a long one. You could lock the buttstock down, then pull out your allen wrench loosen off the set screw and slide it to where you want and then tighten it back up and still be within the letter of the law. I would do it from the bottom because that is where the locking bar is for the adjustable stock and you could have your allen set screw, still thinking like a 1" long one, lock into the pockets that the regular adjustable stock locks into, without messing up the buffer tube. you could also do it from the side but I would put an allen on both sides to keep from cocking the buttstock and it would look more locked and non adjustable. With an allen wrench it wouldnt take long to accomplish the change about a minute but once the screw is put back into place you dont have an adjustable stock. That is how target rifles with completely adjustable stocks get away with it.
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Mustang5L5, If he does as I suggested will he still be breaking the law? I havent read his particular state but have discussed this with some people in other states that have to deal with this situation and the use of a tool to adjust it makes it legal. Just wondering. Thank you sir.
You bring up sonething that has been asked with no clear cut answer. Your idea is valid, but no official word on if it is legal here in MA. I've wondered myself and it's frequently discusses on the local forums.
The general accepted practice is a blind roll pin. That's how the factory pins the stock and it's accepted and recommended by law enforcement.
Guys have installed magpul moe and Ctr stocks and replaced the adjusting mechanism with solid pins and then pinned those in place. Is it legal? Who knows? Can't get official word.
Most agree that if you keep your nose clean, nobody will ever look at your rifle anyway. I'm not advocating breaking the law, but nobody has ever asked me if my 30-round mags are Pre ban or not...and I frequently share the range with LEOs
California compliant Sports are equipped with the adjustable stock, fixed magazine (bullet button), and limited to 10 rds. I believe the one I'm picking up this Saturday has a flash hider also.
If your state has regulations as to what constitutes a "legal" weapon, I would not alter it in any way that could land you in trouble. If you're at the range and LE discovers you've altered your weapon you stand the chance of being arrested, fined, jail time, having your weapon confiscated, and if you have a CCW it will be revoked. Better to do what others are saying and buy another weapon.
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The idea of a pinned stock in the compliant states are to have the gun fully extended so you can't sneak it in to the movies under your coat. They really don't want us to have any fun! I won't change the stock on any of my guns as I still want to own them and stay out of jail.
There is a minimum length that the rifle needs to meet. 30.5" If the stock is pinned, and meets the minimum length, you are GTG.
If there is a concern of working on the rifle- is it legal to change it, could you get in trouble, etc. then do THIS: Disconnect the upper from the lower. It's now PARTS and not a complete rifle. Work on the parts, and once each piece meets the requirements for a rifle, assemble and go shooting.
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I almost bought the UTG kit, but after talking with the dealer and reading more about CT laws, I decided against it and cancelled my order. Im not willing to put my permit or my weapons in jeopardy.
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I just did some searching around and I saw a LOT of opinions, and the are like @$$holes and everyone has one. I would not
in a million years want to lose any rights or weapons and it sure would be nice to know what is right and what is wrong.
here is some of the info Ive seen so far:
So you buy an adjustable stock and then put either screws or a bolt in it so that you have to use tools to move it. As I understand the way the law reads, an adjustable stock is one where as you can adjust it without the use of any tools. If you drill and tap the bottom of the stock to where you can put an allen headed set screw in it, a long one. You could lock the buttstock down, then pull out your allen wrench loosen off the set screw and slide it to where you want and then tighten it back up and still be within the letter of the law. I would do it from the bottom because that is where the locking bar is for the adjustable stock and you could have your allen set screw, still thinking like a 1" long one, lock into the pockets that the regular adjustable stock locks into, without messing up the buffer tube. you could also do it from the side but I would put an allen on both sides to keep from cocking the buttstock and it would look more locked and non adjustable. With an allen wrench it wouldnt take long to accomplish the change about a minute but once the screw is put back into place you dont have an adjustable stock. That is how target rifles with completely adjustable stocks get away with it.
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Originally Posted by oneyeopn View Post
Mustang5L5, If he does as I suggested will he still be breaking the law? I havent read his particular state but have discussed this with some people in other states that have to deal with this situation and the use of a tool to adjust it makes it legal. Just wondering. Thank you sir.
You bring up sonething that has been asked with no clear cut answer. Your idea is valid, but no official word on if it is legal here in MA. I've wondered myself and it's frequently discusses on the local forums.
The general accepted practice is a blind roll pin. That's how the factory pins the stock and it's accepted and recommended by law enforcement.
Guys have installed magpul moe and Ctr stocks and replaced the adjusting mechanism with solid pins and then pinned those in place. Is it legal? Who knows? Can't get official word.
Most agree that if you keep your nose clean, nobody will ever look at your rifle anyway. I'm not advocating breaking the law, but nobody has ever asked me if my 30-round mags are Pre ban or not...and I frequently share the range with LEOs
California compliant Sports are equipped with the adjustable stock, fixed magazine (bullet button), and limited to 10 rds. I believe the one I'm picking up this Saturday has a flash hider also.
If your state has regulations as to what constitutes a "legal" weapon, I would not alter it in any way that could land you in trouble. If you're at the range and LE discovers you've altered your weapon you stand the chance of being arrested, fined, jail time, having your weapon confiscated, and if you have a CCW it will be revoked. Better to do what others are saying and buy another weapon.
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Originally Posted by rtquig View Post
The idea of a pinned stock in the compliant states are to have the gun fully extended so you can't sneak it in to the movies under your coat. They really don't want us to have any fun! I won't change the stock on any of my guns as I still want to own them and stay out of jail.
There is a minimum length that the rifle needs to meet. 30.5" If the stock is pinned, and meets the minimum length, you are GTG.
If there is a concern of working on the rifle- is it legal to change it, could you get in trouble, etc. then do THIS: Disconnect the upper from the lower. It's now PARTS and not a complete rifle. Work on the parts, and once each piece meets the requirements for a rifle, assemble and go shooting.
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I almost bought the UTG kit, but after talking with the dealer and reading more about CT laws, I decided against it and cancelled my order. Im not willing to put my permit or my weapons in jeopardy.
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I drilled mine out and had to buy a new MilSpec tube. The MA one was heavy and just an abomination. There is dead space towards the end of it, maybe to meet length requirements, I don't know. I am very happy it's gone, I hated the thing. The Magpul CTR is the best stock on the market, along with the Skeleton stock. You need to pin it in place if the lower is post ban, which all M&P's are. You can buy the 6 position hole buffer tube and adjust it the way you want, keeping in mind it isn't under 26" (entire rifle) , just pin it in place once you find where you like it. And dissemble the rifle before you do this so you have an incomplete rifle, just in case an ATF agent walked by and saw you collapsing a killy AR-15 in post ban configuration. Oh the horror!!!!! ![[rofl]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/013.gif "ROFL [rofl]")
I drilled mine out and had to buy a new MilSpec tube. The MA one was heavy and just an abomination. There is dead space towards the end of it, maybe to meet length requirements, I don't know. I am very happy it's gone, I hated the thing. The Magpul CTR is the best stock on the market, along with the Skeleton stock. You need to pin it in place if the lower is post ban, which all M&P's are. You can buy the 6 position hole buffer tube and adjust it the way you want, keeping in mind it isn't under 26" (entire rifle) , just pin it in place once you find where you like it. And dissemble the rifle before you do this so you have an incomplete rifle, just in case an ATF agent walked by and saw you collapsing a killy AR-15 in post ban configuration. Oh the horror!!!!!
Thank You......So I cant use any of the parts I have now ? I have to buy a completely new stock and buffer tube and everything and then pin it ???
Its just not worth the hassle anymore, I changed my mind and will leave it stock until I move to another state.
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The following applies to federal laws of the USA.
The term "rifle" means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger. *
The term "short-barreled rifle" means a rifle having one or more barrels less than sixteen inches in length and any weapon made from a rifle (whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise) if such weapon, as modified, has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches. *
So, in order to remain compliant with federal code without having to register and pay a NFA tax on a rifle, the barrel of a rifle, as measured from the face of the closed bolt to the muzzle must be at least 16", and if you are shortening a rifle, the rifle must be at least 26" in length when it is ready to fire.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00000921----000-.html
So its nice to know your 26 inch rule applies to my rifle. 16" barrel and then 10 inches. I just went in and measured my rifle. From the end of the barrel to the end of the stock, its 36" long. From the end of the barrel to
the threaded area where the stock goes on is 26 inches. Now Im really confused, as it seems my stock can be pinned in ANY position and still be legal ???? Thank You.
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my rifle was not listed in CT list for assault rifle and then this followed:
Any semiautomatic firearm not listed in subdivision (1) that meets the following criteria:
(A) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:
i. a folding or telescopic stock;
ii. a pistol grip;
iii. a bayonet mount;
iv. a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and
v. a grenade launcher.
So I have a Pistol Grip and my magazine just has a button, so it says at least TWO........so total allowed is only two for CT Magazine and Pistol Grip and no other ???
The term "rifle" means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger. *
The term "short-barreled rifle" means a rifle having one or more barrels less than sixteen inches in length and any weapon made from a rifle (whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise) if such weapon, as modified, has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches. *
So, in order to remain compliant with federal code without having to register and pay a NFA tax on a rifle, the barrel of a rifle, as measured from the face of the closed bolt to the muzzle must be at least 16", and if you are shortening a rifle, the rifle must be at least 26" in length when it is ready to fire.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00000921----000-.html
So its nice to know your 26 inch rule applies to my rifle. 16" barrel and then 10 inches. I just went in and measured my rifle. From the end of the barrel to the end of the stock, its 36" long. From the end of the barrel to
the threaded area where the stock goes on is 26 inches. Now Im really confused, as it seems my stock can be pinned in ANY position and still be legal ???? Thank You.
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my rifle was not listed in CT list for assault rifle and then this followed:
Any semiautomatic firearm not listed in subdivision (1) that meets the following criteria:
(A) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:
i. a folding or telescopic stock;
ii. a pistol grip;
iii. a bayonet mount;
iv. a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and
v. a grenade launcher.
So I have a Pistol Grip and my magazine just has a button, so it says at least TWO........so total allowed is only two for CT Magazine and Pistol Grip and no other ???
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If you are getting a stock that has a rifle length stock, then you need a new spring and buffer tube. If you're buying a carbine length stock (Magpul CTR or MOE are great), you can keep the same carbine buffer spring and just buy a milspec buffer tube. I love my CTR and would highly recommend buying one. I have heard of the blind pin and that's what most do but I never read the allen wrench one. It seems like you're doing a lot to avoid trouble, thus making it a slam dunk if it ever went to court. You knew you were breaking a federal law and requiring a tool to collapse a stock just sounds iffy to me. Just me 2 cents.
I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter where it's pinned, as long as you can't collapse it without a tool. My Sport was 36" as well and is now 31", making it way past the legal requirement length. Someone that knows these laws better will chime in as I don't know too much about rifle length laws. But yup, you can get a milspec buffer tube and buy a nice stock, but you have to destroy the thing and pin it. Such bullshit, I don't want to even get into the laws.
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You will need a stock tube and a stock if you are planning to put an Adj. stock on, you can use everything else. If are planning to do a Ace stock you will need an A1 stock tube and maybe a buffer, sometimes you can get away with a carbine buffer, however you will have to replace the carbine spring to a rifle spring if you go to an ACE stock.
Call me to discuss your options. 413 579 1994 No obligation to buy anything, just information to keep your modification trouble free.
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Call me to discuss your options. 413 579 1994 No obligation to buy anything, just information to keep your modification trouble free.
Thanks
John
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I spoke with a local police officer and then I also spoke with a dealer who sells the UTG 6 position kit I was going to buy, and because no one really knows what the laws
really are, I am not willing to take the chance of getting my rifle taken away. I have 3400 invested in this and its just not worth it for a stock. I feel that all the
states in the USA should all have the same rules and not so screwed up. What about being equal ???? I will have to tap and drill and put a hex head back in where I took out
the pin, so it looks better.
Thanks for your help anyway !! I appreciate it very much.
I drilled mine out and had to buy a new MilSpec tube. The MA one was heavy and just an abomination. There is dead space towards the end of it, maybe to meet length requirements, I don't know. I am very happy it's gone, I hated the thing. The Magpul CTR is the best stock on the market, along with the Skeleton stock. You need to pin it in place if the lower is post ban, which all M&P's are. You can buy the 6 position hole buffer tube and adjust it the way you want, keeping in mind it isn't under 26" (entire rifle) , just pin it in place once you find where you like it. And dissemble the rifle before you do this so you have an incomplete rifle, just in case an ATF agent walked by and saw you collapsing a killy AR-15 in post ban configuration. Oh the horror!!!!!
I spoke with a local police officer and then I also spoke with a dealer who sells the UTG 6 position kit I was going to buy, and because no one really knows what the laws
really are, I am not willing to take the chance of getting my rifle taken away. I have 3400 invested in this and its just not worth it for a stock. I feel that all the
states in the USA should all have the same rules and not so screwed up. What about being equal ???? I will have to tap and drill and put a hex head back in where I took out
the pin, so it looks better.
Thanks for your help anyway !! I appreciate it very much.
ColdDayInHell, when I mentioned about no one knows the law, I meant that even if I bought the new adjustable stock and installed it while the rifle was in two halves, and then put a longer hex head bolt that would not allow
the rifle to be adjusted without a tool....... no one knows if doing that is legal or not. While my FSC556 has BATF paperwork to go along with it saying the FEDERAL GOV does not call it a flash suppresor and therefore legal,
no one can really say if I put a adjustable stock on and then make it so it can only be changed with a tool, is actually legal. Im not willing to take that chance and cancelled the sale of the kit. I paid 3400 bucks for my rifle
and Im not about to lose it for just a stock mod. Thank You though, I appreciate your time and help.
So it's close to impossible to remove?
