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Road Trip with Restricted LTC(Boston)?
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Hetzer
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Did you mean hunting rather than hiking or are they getting creative with the restrictions ?
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Yes I did. My apologies
It's tough to tell what your current understanding of the topic is. Are you assuming a NY cop, for example, will care if you have a gun license issued by MA?
Are you assuming the Boston police have any power to dictate your gun use outside of MA?
Are you worried that your restrictions mean you can never travel through MA with a gun as the first step of your journey to a different state?
Are you assuming the Boston police have any power to dictate your gun use outside of MA?
Are you worried that your restrictions mean you can never travel through MA with a gun as the first step of your journey to a different state?
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The shortest answer is "kinda"
The US has a patchwork of different laws and reciprocity agreements. That is some states recognize the licenses of others, and vice versa. MA, for example, doesn't recognize anyone's, while a handful recognize ours. Several states now have some version of what's called Constitutional Carry, such that if you're not a statutorily Prohibited Person, you're good to go. Additionally, the Firearms Owners' Protection Act of 1986 (FOPA) recognizes certain protections if you are legal where you start your journey, and where you end, while you pass through places that you're not OKed.
And it gets more complicated from there.
I recommend visiting a site like Handgunlaw.us or Concealed Carry - Resources, Maps, Forums, Articles - USA Carry if you want to get a better feel for how deep this rabbit hole goes.
The US has a patchwork of different laws and reciprocity agreements. That is some states recognize the licenses of others, and vice versa. MA, for example, doesn't recognize anyone's, while a handful recognize ours. Several states now have some version of what's called Constitutional Carry, such that if you're not a statutorily Prohibited Person, you're good to go. Additionally, the Firearms Owners' Protection Act of 1986 (FOPA) recognizes certain protections if you are legal where you start your journey, and where you end, while you pass through places that you're not OKed.
And it gets more complicated from there.
I recommend visiting a site like Handgunlaw.us or Concealed Carry - Resources, Maps, Forums, Articles - USA Carry if you want to get a better feel for how deep this rabbit hole goes.
one-eyed Jack
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You can go by FOPA. (For what it's worth). Jack.
You have a lot of reading to do, considering that your MA LTC is often worth less than garbage outside of this state, and varying state laws are going to come into play as well as possibly FOPA. In many states there's no problem keeping your gun loaded by your bed at a hotel, but you can forget about carrying the gun around in public loaded or having it loaded in an MV, etc. Most of the time you are going to go "f*** it" and keep the thing locked in the car in FOPA compliance rather than even bother messing with the gun, unless you have carry permits or are traveling through permitless carry states, etc.
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"Are you worried that your restrictions mean you can never travel through MA with a gun as the first step of your journey to a different state?"
Because I would be starting a road trip and not going to the range or hunting. Also It's restricted so If I travel with my states LTC with restrictions I would only be allowed to go to the range and hunt but I can't find anything on traveling for a road trip. sorry i know its confusing. Maybe i should just take the 39+state ltc class
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I recall reading here that allegedly at least one state would only honor it under whatever restriction is on the MA LTC. Don't recall which state, but I could foresee problems due to the restriction over and above the issue of what states honor a MA LTC. FOPA allows you to transport it, unloaded and locked up plus ammo in a seperate container (locked container if no locked trunk), but NY and NJ tend not to honor FOPA.
allen-1
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If I were you, I'd go get a Florida, Virginia and/or Utah non-resident permit, (if you can).
Your Mass limited LTC is about as useful as a piece of toilet paper both in and out of your state borders.
As others have said, read up on FOPA. It allows you to TRANSPORT, (that is not the same as CARRY), a firearm, and you must be LEGAL to possess the firearm in both your ORIGIN and DESTINATION. I'd question whether your limited permit is going to be accepted by anyone else.
Now, if you have a Florida non-resident permit - and you're leaving your home and traveling to Florida - you're covered under FOPA. Because you can legally posses the firearm in your origin and your destination. And Florida non-resident permit is accepted by something like 20 or 30 other states. Same thing for Virginia and Utah non-resident permits. And they're relatively easy to obtain.
Your Mass limited LTC is about as useful as a piece of toilet paper both in and out of your state borders.
As others have said, read up on FOPA. It allows you to TRANSPORT, (that is not the same as CARRY), a firearm, and you must be LEGAL to possess the firearm in both your ORIGIN and DESTINATION. I'd question whether your limited permit is going to be accepted by anyone else.
Now, if you have a Florida non-resident permit - and you're leaving your home and traveling to Florida - you're covered under FOPA. Because you can legally posses the firearm in your origin and your destination. And Florida non-resident permit is accepted by something like 20 or 30 other states. Same thing for Virginia and Utah non-resident permits. And they're relatively easy to obtain.
I have an unrestricted LTC. I’ve taken road trips the last two summers. First road trip was to SD, WY, and CO. Second road trip was to CO.
The sad reality is that there are so many states that restrict carrying that carrying concealed ona road trip is a huge pain in the neck.
The sad reality is that there are so many states that restrict carrying that carrying concealed ona road trip is a huge pain in the neck.
bdb
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Michigan. Many years ago my LTC was restricted and contacted MI state cops prior to a visit. The guy I spoke with quoted that whatever you are restricted by in your state applies here as well. He could have been wrong and that may have changed as it was 7-8 years ago but that is what I was told at the time.
allen-1
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Depends upon what licenses you have, and where you're traveling.
For example, my map is below, I don't run into real restrictions until I come north...
EDITED to Add:
I have GA resident supplemented with CT, FL, UT, NH and ME non-resident permits.
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That was Missouri back when they had a Dem governor and AG. Since then Mo. has passed Constitutional Carry
Take a couple of classes and get some non resident permits. Utah is easy and a Utah class will also cover FL and ME, I have Mass, Utah, Florida, Maine, New Hampshire and Connecticut, my map is below.
GTG in all blue states (and green of course). Still a royal PIA as you need to be aware of laws in all states you are going through and especially those that you are stopping in, and in your case with the restricted you can't carry in your home state....
GTG in all blue states (and green of course). Still a royal PIA as you need to be aware of laws in all states you are going through and especially those that you are stopping in, and in your case with the restricted you can't carry in your home state....
NH was supposed to cover PA too but the PA ags office only changed its mind like 48 times (basically saying only resident licenses qualify for reciprocity privileges) not sure what position the switch is in CURRENTLY.
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Every state's views are different. You'll need to decide where you're going, and research each state individually.
How long does it usually take to get those non res permits?
HorizontalHunter
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It is entirely up to you to know where you are traveling and what the laws are in that state. Just because a member posted it doesn’t make it so.
Use one of the many online resources like the one I posted below AND verify that info with the state you are wanting to carry in. Online resources can be wrong. I use the CCW app and in January they posted a change in regulations to allow CCW in state parks (I am referring to HB5539) and THEY WERE WRONG. The regulation that was supposedly changed never went through. They have since corrected the error.
Bob
Concealed Carry Permit Reciprocity Maps v5.1 (Updated Mar. 23, 2019)
HorizontalHunter
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Depends entirely on the state. My Florida NR was 2 weeks with the free expedited veterans service. My Connecticut took 4 months.
Bob
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Utah's pretty quick, like a couple weeks IIRC. Renewals are online and even faster. Florida was like 6 weeks when I got mine originally. New Hampshire is also only a couple weeks.
My Connecticut is sitting waiting to be sent out.
AHM
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@loadandlock,
Many respondents to this thread are telling you true things.
Many respondents to this thread are telling you what is prudent in life.
Don't let your eyes glaze over. Don't misinterpret any of the true or prudent
(or false or reckless (if any)) answers as applying to your expressed concerns
if they don't literally answer what you actually wrote.
Because some people are telling you what you ought to be worried about
as opposed to what you are actually worried about. Don't confuse the two.
(And don't despair).
But more to his original concern, an LTC with a "target and hunting"(?) restriction(*) doesn't restrict him from transporting guns'n'ammo locked in his trunk (ideally in locked containers) almost(**) anywhere within Mass. He can tool around all day with an arsenal secured in his trunk even if he's not going hunting or to the range - he just can't access them for almost any useful purpose (except, say, taking them in to a gun shop(***), ideally in those containers).
(*) He really should literally quote his actual LTC's restrictions in this thread -
not merely allude to them with vague language like "to and from the range or while hiking and all that".
(**) Don't drive your arsenal to the Post Office, or a Federal building, or the roads (or mud flats!) at Logan airport, or Boston Common, or a few other places. And you'd be wise to stay the hell off of school grounds even if you never popped the trunk on campus.
(***) Most gun shops want you to talk with them first before bringing anything indoors; except for holstered guns that you never ever unholster in the store.
Many respondents to this thread are telling you true things.
Many respondents to this thread are telling you what is prudent in life.
Don't let your eyes glaze over. Don't misinterpret any of the true or prudent
(or false or reckless (if any)) answers as applying to your expressed concerns
if they don't literally answer what you actually wrote.
Because some people are telling you what you ought to be worried about
as opposed to what you are actually worried about. Don't confuse the two.
(And don't despair).
That original concern is (mostly) groundless (but mostly moot). See below.
(Linked That For You).
But more to his original concern, an LTC with a "target and hunting"(?) restriction(*) doesn't restrict him from transporting guns'n'ammo locked in his trunk (ideally in locked containers) almost(**) anywhere within Mass. He can tool around all day with an arsenal secured in his trunk even if he's not going hunting or to the range - he just can't access them for almost any useful purpose (except, say, taking them in to a gun shop(***), ideally in those containers).
(*) He really should literally quote his actual LTC's restrictions in this thread -
not merely allude to them with vague language like "to and from the range or while hiking and all that".
(**) Don't drive your arsenal to the Post Office, or a Federal building, or the roads (or mud flats!) at Logan airport, or Boston Common, or a few other places. And you'd be wise to stay the hell off of school grounds even if you never popped the trunk on campus.
(***) Most gun shops want you to talk with them first before bringing anything indoors; except for holstered guns that you never ever unholster in the store.
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I would recommend contacting whatever authority in WY gov't deals with gun licensing and ask them. None of us are going to know an authoritative answer to this question.
HorizontalHunter
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Your question is moot. Wyoming doesn’t recognize a Massachusetts LTC. If you want to carry in Wyoming you need to get a nonresident permit in Wyoming or get a permit from a state they recognize.
Bob
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AHM
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No sweat.
Your faith in my investigatory powers is touching,
but the question is above my pay grade
(to wit: Longmire Binge Watcher w/ 6-Season Box Set Endorsement).
But the definitive answer appeared anyhow:
Very true, but...
...regrettable in one sense, but a blessing in disguise. Because...
States are thin on the ground where the AG would deign
to issue a legally binding opinion on whether they honor or ignore
MALTC restrictions. And getting any lesser person's opinion
(your hometown county sheriff, your high school buddy who's a deputy,
someone who stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night, ...)
is a good way to get in trouble when someone
higher in their food chain disagrees with them.
I'm gonna ignorantly claim that he should therefore get a NH non-res P&RL:
- WY recognizes NH non-res(!).
- NH has quick turnaround.
- It's marginally useful for MA residents anyhow.
- Nowadays an NH P&RL won't echo any MA res. LTC restrictions, so you'll love having an NH card in WY.
Also, while handgunlaw.us can't be definitive,
it is regarded highly enough that its Wyoming section might be where
you start studying the WY laws, so you at least get the big picture.
Hope this helps,
and is bum steer-free.
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ETA: At least some of the above has been said before in this thread.
Pardon any redundancy.
Great minds run in the same channel / fools think alike.
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