S&W Model 19 - New to Me -

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Picked up a nice Model 19 over at Northshore Firearms this weekend. Took it down the range and was highly impressed. The gun shoots like a dream. I love the quality and craftsmanship.

Any way to figure out the approx. date of manufacturing.. I could pm the # if anyone can cross reference.

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Sweeet I had a 13 in blue, and a 19 in Stainless... can shoot round nosed reloaded .38spl up to some real hot .357 loads. Great all around gun, a classic.
 
Thanks so much guys - I will pm the information out when I get back home. Did not have it with me today.
 
As others have said, the S/N and a quick check of the SCSW will nail the shipping date, but it's obviously pinned and recessed, so it'll definitely be prior to 1982. I really like those smooth target grips - don't see them very often on K-frames.

Nice pick up - I'm envious.
 
If you are pleased with your '19, you might want to look up the history of what was called (before Smiths had model numbers) the "Combat Magnum." Here's the quick version, but you'll probably enjoy doing more research than I can summarize here:

In the late 30's, some folks came up with a cartridge called the .38/44 or .38 Hi-Vel, which was a .38 special case loaded to higher pressures and velocities than industry spec. In part (or at least, in theory), the motivation came from law enforcement, which found the spec .38 special inadequate when used against felons fleeing in automobiles. (This, you will note, was before the Court held that shooting at a fleeing felon was a violation of the Due Process Clause.) (More likely, the .38/44 and later .357 Magnum were spawned by the 'druthers of a fellow named Keith, a civilian, who disliked any firearm whose recoil was too little to rattle his teeth.)

Smith & Wesson brought out an N-Frame (large frame) revolver called the .38/44 Outdoorsman, designed specifically for this cartridge. However, even in a 4-inch configuration, the N-Frame was a bit big and heavy to be carried around all day by uniformed police officers.

The .38/44 morphed into the .357 Magnum, which is a .38 special case lengthened 0.135" solely to prevent it from being chambered in .38 special guns (which might not be able to handle the pressures), and the Outdoorsman morphed into the 357 Magnum (shiny grade) and Highway Patrolman (matte version). They were big sellers amongst civilians.

A bit later a fellow by the name of Jordan (then director of the U.S. Border Patrol) spoke to a fellow by the name of Hellstrom (then president of Smith & Wesson) about chambering the K-Frame revolver (specifically, the Model 15 "Combat Masterpiece") for the .357 Magnum cartridge. Hellstrom was dubious, but he took the request back to the factory, where the engineers opined that with some changes in metalurgy and a couple of very minor configuration changes, a K-Frame .357 could be designed.

The "Combat Magnum" (later Model 19) was thus birthed.

You should be aware that S&W informed Jordan (and others) that the K-Frame should not be fed a steady diet of full house .357 Magnum rounds. As a result, Jordan instituted a program, dubious under modern notions of training, that his men would train with .38 special rounds and carry the .357 rounds while on duty.

As someone observed, with a pinned barrel and countersunk chambers, as your pistol has, it comes from the 60s or 70s, most likely during the period when Model 19s had increadily smooth trigger pulls.

I have two '19s, a '66 ('19 in stainless steel) and a '65 ('19 with fixed sights, narrow hammer and narrow trigger, also in stainless). I do not shoot .357 Magnum rounds through them.
 
Thanks for the background RKG - I love history lessons. I will be sure to do some more research. Based on the initial search I did on the web I believe it was made sometime in the 70's. I am going to PM the # over and see what else I can find out about it. Thanks for taking a look.
 
To add to what has been said, you should only use 158gr .357 ammo. Lighter ammo will do damage over time. I have a 19-4 that I would never get rid of. Awesome handgun. JP
 
So I pm'd the info this morning. Did not get back to late last night.
Is it everyone's opinion to shoot 38 instead of 357 for these revolvers? I would like to keep it in tip top shape and if that is the recommended diet I will follow the lead.
 
So I pm'd the info this morning. Did not get back to late last night.
Is it everyone's opinion to shoot 38 instead of 357 for these revolvers? I would like to keep it in tip top shape and if that is the recommended diet I will follow the lead.

The conventional wisdom is that 19's, which are built on the K-frame, though chambered for .357, were designed to be carried more than shot, and therefore you should use .38 for your routine shooting and .357 sparingly. S&W admitted as much when they came out with the beefier L-frame for the 586/686 series.

I have a couple of 19's, and I load the equivalent of .38 Special loads in .357 cases for regular shooting. That avoids any issues with a ring of crud building up in the chambers and making chambering .357s more difficult, but more vigorous cleaning will prevent the problem as well. They are sweet guns and you made a great purchase.
 
If you reload, then 2.7 grains of Bullseye pushing either a 148-gr. cast wadcutter or a 158-gr cast SWC is a nice load for plinking and target practice. Minimal recoil and noise, and so cheap to reload that they'll change the packaging on your pound of Bullseye by the time you have to purchase another.
 
I do reload and am set up for 38 right now so hopefully I can crank out some loads for my 19 to keep it happy.
 
Thanks for the investigation by Pilgrim and Rut I have been able to confirm manufacturing date of 1975. I am pleased with my purchase and look forward to getting many more years of pleasure from this revolver.
 
I do reload and am set up for 38 right now so hopefully I can crank out some loads for my 19 to keep it happy.

If you're not already loading .357, consider getting some .357 brass and using them exclusively in your 19. You can use .38 Special data for your target loads, and you'll save the potential trouble of getting the ring of buildup in the chambers. It can be cleaned out (with some effort), of course, but it's simple to avoid the problem in the first place. Your .38 Special dies will also load .357, as you probably know.
 
If you're not already loading .357, consider getting some .357 brass and using them exclusively in your 19. You can use .38 Special data for your target loads, and you'll save the potential trouble of getting the ring of buildup in the chambers. It can be cleaned out (with some effort), of course, but it's simple to avoid the problem in the first place. Your .38 Special dies will also load .357, as you probably know.

Yes I was happy to purchase this knowing I was set up to reload it at this time. I will be putting together some loads this weekend for sure.
 
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