Shooting a Semi Auto while pressed against an object…

How about with something hammer fired? 🤪

IIRC, someone (a guntuber) mentioned how a semi MIGHT have an issue in a self defense setting where you were struggling with someone and pressed it against them to fire (so you wouldn't shoot yourself). He mentioned how there wouldn't be an issue with a revolver in that setting. Makes me wonder if it's a 'function' of striker fired/grocks that doesn't apply to anything hammer fired.
 
Golddiggie said:
How about with something hammer fired? 🤪

IIRC, someone (a guntuber) mentioned how a semi MIGHT have an issue in a self defense setting where you were struggling with someone and pressed it against them to fire (so you wouldn't shoot yourself). He mentioned how there wouldn't be an issue with a revolver in that setting. Makes me wonder if it's a 'function' of striker fired/grocks that doesn't apply to anything hammer fired.
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If you jam any semi-auto into something, you could push the slide out of battery. Doesn't matter if it's striker fired or has a hammer.
 
jct61765 said:
If you jam any semi-auto into something, you could push the slide out of battery. Doesn't matter if it's striker fired or has a hammer.
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Might be why the person mentioned it not happening to a revolver. I do make it a point to NOT go anyplace where I'd need to cram a pistol into another person while there. You know, like walking the streets of either Lawrence or Lowell late at night.
 
Golddiggie said:
How about with something hammer fired? 🤪

IIRC, someone (a guntuber) mentioned how a semi MIGHT have an issue in a self defense setting where you were struggling with someone and pressed it against them to fire (so you wouldn't shoot yourself). He mentioned how there wouldn't be an issue with a revolver in that setting. Makes me wonder if it's a 'function' of striker fired/grocks that doesn't apply to anything hammer fired.
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jct61765 said:
If you jam any semi-auto into something, you could push the slide out of battery. Doesn't matter if it's striker fired or has a hammer.
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They type of action will matter too. Glock, 1911, many others, are short recoil. So when the front is pressed back, the barrel and slide moves back a short distance together, this drops the rear of the barrel, unlocking the "bolt" and the pistol is now out of battery, and will not fire.
On the other hand, a pistol that is blowback, like the Walther PP or even the HK p7 (gas delayed blowback), where the barrel is fixed. Pushing the pistol forward isn't likely to force the slide back, simply because the barrel will take the force and NOT shift back.

So while striker or hammer fired doesn't matter, it's not all semi-autos.
 
jct61765 said:
Did you try it on a p7 or pp?
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No but I do have them, more than one, and the Fixed barrel protrudes just past the slid, so push all you want it will press against the barrel and not push the slide back. Unlike a Glock or 1911.
You can try this with whatever imitation Glock you have, unloaded obviously.
 
Lol it wouldn't take much at an odd angle contact with an object, or an oddly shaped object (lets say for the sake of argument, the bad guy is a lard tank, you think his flab won't push the slide back? ) for the slide to get pushed back even on those guns, not something worth betting on, not that matters much. I'd suggest if this "problem " really makes one restless at night they should carry a revolver. But better not let anyone grab the cylinder! Zomg!

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"It started out good
Then it got lots better
Makin' up the rules as we went along
But with a business like this
There's a gnarly downside
I'm way deep into nothing special
Riding the crest of a wave breaking just west of Hollywood"

[rofl]


View: https://youtu.be/7ES0OdVB8Yo?si=6dy0zjSwOs8eiM34
 
drgrant said:
Lol it wouldn't take much at an odd angle contact with an object, or an oddly shaped object (lets say for the sake of argument, the bad guy is a lard tank, you think his flab won't push the slide back? ) for the slide to get pushed back even on those guns, not something worth betting on, not that matters much. I'd suggest if this "problem " really makes one restless at night they should carry a revolver. But better not let anyone grab the cylinder! Zomg!

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"It started out good
Then it got lots better
Makin' up the rules as we went along
But with a business like this
There's a gnarly downside
I'm way deep into nothing special
Riding the crest of a wave breaking just west of Hollywood"

[rofl]


View: https://youtu.be/7ES0OdVB8Yo?si=6dy0zjSwOs8eiM34
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Exactly, in a couple classes at the sig academy we went over this. There always has to be a know it all though to show you how smart he is. What are the odds of someone carrying a p7 or Walther pp?
 
drgrant said:
Lol it wouldn't take much at an odd angle contact with an object, or an oddly shaped object (lets say for the sake of argument, the bad guy is a lard tank, you think his flab won't push the slide back? ) for the slide to get pushed back even on those guns, not something worth betting on, not that matters much. I'd suggest if this "problem " really makes one restless at night they should carry a revolver. But better not let anyone grab the cylinder! Zomg!




"It started out good
Then it got lots better
Makin' up the rules as we went along
But with a business like this
There's a gnarly downside
I'm way deep into nothing special
Riding the crest of a wave breaking just west of Hollywood"

[rofl]


View: https://youtu.be/7ES0OdVB8Yo?si=6dy0zjSwOs8eiM34
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Huh... that Steely Dan album looks like a picture I took out with the dogs, in the park....

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jct61765 said:
Exactly, in a couple classes at the sig academy we went over this. There always has to be a know it all though to show you how smart he is. What are the odds of someone carrying a p7 or Walther pp?
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… or VP70, or Laugo Alien, or PPK, or CAT-9, or Liberator, or Desert Eagle, or P9s, or any blowback anything?

the only remotely likely ones are .380 guns, and we all know nobody carries those because they’re too weak. (did I get that right?)
 
This is useful info if a dog is attacking a loved one and you need to put it down.

Watch the angle and where the exit wound is going obviously.
 

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