The Real Deal: Survival Checklist Based on the Argentina Meltdown

Argentina 2015 inflation rate:

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Source here.

US 2015 Inflation rate as calculated today and in 1980:

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Source here.

I bought some basting oil from Wegmans last weekend and put it on the shelf. The price was the same as the old bottle, but it was 25% smaller. [thinking] Inflation is not near zero in this country as .gov is reporting!
 
P-14 said:
Argentina 2015 inflation rate:

argentina-inflation-cpi.png

Source here.

US 2015 Inflation rate as calculated today and in 1980:

sgs-cpi.gif

Source here.

I bought some basting oil from Wegmans last weekend and put it on the shelf. The price was the same as the old bottle, but it was 25% smaller. [thinking] Inflation is not near zero in this country as .gov is reporting!
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So you're saying the 59 ounce 'half-gallon' containers of orange juice that they want more $ for means there's inflation? How is that even possible, the king says there isn't any....

/sarc
 
Venezuela Is Out of Food: Here's What an Economic Collapse Really Looks Like

See article here, provided by just jim in the Economic Doom thread (post #11042).

Venezuela is out of food.

After several years of long lines, rationing, and shortages, the socialist country does not have enough food to feed its population, and the opposition government has declared a "nutritional emergency." This is just the most recent nail in the beleaguered country's slow, painful economic collapse.

Many people expect an economic collapse to be shocking, instant, and dramatic but, really, it's far more gradual than that. It looks like empty shelves, long lines, desperate government officials trying to cover their tushes, and hungry people. For the past two years, I've been following the situation in Venezuela as each shocking event has unfolded. Americans who feel that our country would be better served by a socialist government would be wise to take note of this timeline of the collapse.
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Argentina took 2 years to have an economic collapse. One year in hell (the account from Bosnia referenced in the OP) took days. We need to be prepared for both. But, those that are socialists in our government are driving us to a slow death like an Argentina or Venezuela economic collapse.

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ETA: Power cut leaves most of Venezuela without electricity

As posted by jpk in this thread.

The opposition says the government of Mr Chavez and his successor, Nicolas Maduro, may have spent billions of dollars on programmes to garner votes from the poor but has failed to invest in the upkeep and expansion of the electrical grid to meet growing demand.

Although Venezuela has big oil reserves, it is dependent on hydro-electricity for some 70% of its power.

Power cuts are common in Venezuela, especially in the country's interior states, but rarely affect the capital, Caracas.
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Until today. The house of cards is falling. [thinking]
 
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i think the lesson of Venezuela is you need to have an economy, not just be dependent on free oil, cause if the price drops, you're focked.

And having a Fed that can print money from an unlimited balance sheet certainly helps.
 
Venezuala Meltdown Update

From a WSJ article posted by xtry51 here in the Economic Doom Thread:

xtry51 said:
It official-er-er. Venezuela goes Weimar/Zimbabwe.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/venezue...to-issue-higher-denomination-bills-1477505314

They will move from the current highest denomination of 100 to a new high of 20,000 in December. I'm sure that will totally solve everything. I mean it did in Germany and Zimbabwe right? [thinking][rolleyes]

20,000% inflation is totally normal right?
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From the article:

Earlier this year, the government began informally allowing shops in the outer provinces to sell food at free market prices, reducing shortages at the cost of higher inflation, which the International Monetary Fund expects to reach 1,600% next year. (emphasis mine)
.....
The central bank hasn’t published price statistics for almost two years. Instead, Mr. Maduro has blamed the skyrocketing prices on the “economic war” waged against his government by shopkeepers and financiers.

This has forced people to brave one of the world’s highest crime rates by shopping with backpacks full of cash and spend hours lining up outside ATMs, which give out less than $10 per withdrawal. A fully stocked ATM is emptied in just three and a half hours on average now, according to the Venezuelan Banking Association.

Many provincial banks have reduced daily withdrawals to 30,000 bolivars, which would buy a Venezuelan couple a lunch at a mid-scale restaurant.
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They have to print larger denomination bills, because inflation is so bad that the prices are much higher than their largest bills. (If they restrict the cash you can withdraw at banks and ATMs, we should put some in the mattress or buy PMs for a rainy day.)

Coming to a socialist-trending country near you. [thinking]
 
Great researching job, thank to share the reality of another place in the world.

PS: If you want to see a dramatic situation take a look over Venezuela, i am from there and the people is dying of starvation
 
the obvious answer for that sort of thing is "gold coins, a passport a bit of camping gear, a pistol and a bicycle, or get on a fishing boat, pleasure yacht, bananna boat, and gtfo of that area. Why stay there? Nothing you have is going to amount to a hoot. It's all gone. Get out before you get sick or hurt. Even if you had to have somebody nail you into a wooden crate, with water, food, sleeping pad and bag, pee jug, litter pan, kitty litter, and a hatchet, and pay the shipping fare on the crate, get out.
 
White people in S Africa have known ever since Rhodesia fell, 40 years ago, and they gave up their nukes, that these days of horror were coming. Argentinans, venezuelans, have seen the troubles coming for years, too. Why are they still there, hmm? People in New Orleans had 3 days warning before the flooding. Even an old grandma can cover 50 miles on a bicycle in 3 days. The poor have nothing to lose anyway, so why stay? I see a dozen youtube vids about how to deal with heat and cold, when they are homeless or live in a van, camper, etc. Well, get on a bus or move the vehicle spring and fall, to avoid such problems. You can be a bum anywhere in the US, so why suffer thru heat or cold when you dont have to do so? Why are gun people still living in antigun states, paying 10-20k a year in taxes to our enemies, and bitching about their problems with gun laws? Why dont people just pick up and move their sorry butts, when it's obvious to anyone that they need to do so?
 
People act like you have to fly, or you can't get anywhere. The US, all 3200 miles of it, has been crossed on a bicycle in 8 days! So why can't you hitch rides, etc, from S america to the US? god knows, nothing stops you from coming into the US! The S African whites know how to make money, are caucasian, speak English. EVERY last illegal mexican here has ID good enough to draw welfare, get medicaid, get a job, have a bank account and vote, so why can't a white S. African just blend in? You know Mexico would be happy to give them (or anyone) a tourist visa. All you'd have to do is tear a $50 bill in half and offer it to the illegal who'll take you to his fake ID source, once you're in the US, or even close to the border. I'd bet a weeks pay $1000 gets you a plenty good enough state ID to get by for all the above needs, and I'm dead rock certain that $5000 would get you a driver's license that a cop could run on his radio and you'd still be ok. S. african whites are NOT broke.
 
obviously, the columbians, argentinans, etc, get over thru or around it. It's not as big a problem these days as crossing the mississippi was in the 1800's and thousands got that done. you dont have to croiss with cattle and horses. all you have to cross with is a raft, bicyle and pack, and can probably pay somebody to put your stuff in a truck. or a fishing boat. All of these problems come from being a broken dick. Score 5k and you can get here. Rob a bank or kidnap somebody, presto you'll have 5k.
 
If there's a total economic collapse. What good would leaving everything you know to travel cross country do? No long range communication to even tell if it's better than where you're coming from?
 
Chevy 2 65 said:
And more than likely have to deal with gangs of people etc..
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I just don't understand the "OMG the shit has hit the fan.....we got to bug out to someplace that we don't know shit about, don't know what trouble awaits along the way there, without any long term supplies or plans to survive once we arrive there" mentality.

I cannot think of a single worse place to be than on the road to somewhere else in an SHTF situation.

I'm staying put, where I know all my neighbors, where all my supplies are, where my long term food supply is, where I set up and intimately know the defensive strategy of the area, where I have available resources of fuel, water, food, shelters , defensive measures, trusted personnel, etc.
 
Uzi2 said:
I just don't understand the "OMG the shit has hit the fan.....we got to bug out to someplace that we don't know shit about, don't know what trouble awaits along the way there, without any long term supplies or plans to survive once we arrive there" mentality.

I cannot think of a single worse place to be than on the road to somewhere else in an SHTF situation.

I'm staying put, where I know all my neighbors, where all my supplies are, where my long term food supply is, where I set up and intimately know the defensive strategy of the area, where I have available resources of fuel, water, food, shelters , defensive measures, trusted personnel, etc.
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Until I can live year round at my “Bug out location” I tend to agree with you. My area will suck, but my people and things are here.

Also wanted to reply because I like your profile pic.
 
P-14 said:
UPDATED: Survival Checklist Based on the Argentina Meltdown and Bosnian War

Argentina had an economic meltdown in 2001 that still affects that country today. (Link on history)

A survivalist, known as ferfal, has been reporting on TSHTF conditions there in his blog. (Background link)

Recently, andrew.tt posted a link to a 4-part article by ferfal: good SHTF read >>. From this 28-page article, I managed to distill a 10-page checklist that hits all of the survival things we think about and a lot of the things we don't.

FWIW, I hope it is useful to the NES community.

ETA: Found an article entitled, "One Year In Hell" about urban survival in the Bosnian war and worked it into another checklist.

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Great Information thanks
 
So, how is everybody feeling now living in "The Lost Year," 2020? Were you prepped for the PANDEMIC?

For me, this one was easy. You only need 6 things to survive a crisis/disaster/end of days:

  1. Water
  2. Food
  3. Shelter
  4. Fire
  5. Security
  6. Hygiene
We had water, food, electric, gasoline, etc. It was really hygiene that was the issue for most. I had N95s on hand way before this hit. As an SOP, we keep plenty of toilet paper and paper towels on hand from Costco. Same with waterless hand cleaner and Clorox wipes. We had to buy cloth masks when the risks of exposure to COVID-19 were low, like walking outside. N95s were worn in high risk, shopping or urban situations.

Let us know how you did!
 
Things never reached the point where supply chains of critical stuff stopped, although it was eye-opening how quickly any surge in demand
kicks off shortages (toilet paper!).

One lesson was that while you can survive on long term stored ingredients, fresh fruit / vegetables / meat /dairy would be sorely missed. Growing
sprouts is an easy way to get greens even in winter.
 
P-14 said:
So, how is everybody feeling now living in "The Lost Year," 2020? Were you prepped for the PANDEMIC?

For me, this one was easy. You only need 6 things to survive a crisis/disaster/end of days:

  1. Water
  2. Food
  3. Shelter
  4. Fire
  5. Security
  6. Hygiene
We had water, food, electric, gasoline, etc. It was really hygiene that was the issue for most. I had N95s on hand way before this hit. As an SOP, we keep plenty of toilet paper and paper towels on hand from Costco. Same with waterless hand cleaner and Clorox wipes. We had to buy cloth masks when the risks of exposure to COVID-19 were low, like walking outside. N95s were worn in high risk, shopping or urban situations.

Let us know how you did!
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Big question IMHO is going to revolve around how MANY people learned anything from this and changed any of their habits/practices/behaviors?

When is Gov gonna stop gobbling up N95 mask supply so folks can put up a few for a rainy day/use for sanding/scraping/etc
 
I think that was my third time reading that completely through since joining NES and each time I take a little bit more away from it. I'm blessed/lucky on many levels to have not wanted for anything through all this...some due to preparedness, but some shit luck (pun, because I had just bought one of those 'mega-packs' of my favorite cottonelle TP before the shelves emptied). I guess perhaps my idea of 'going without' is a little different than others after 8 years in the Marine Corps, so 'making due' became a way of life.

Things I got from the article this time (that I already knew about, but just reinforced that there are deficiencies) - water filtration (I have storage, but I think we take for granted our 'treated supply' through our taps), spare parts (I think I might start doing some deeper research into some of the weapons that will most likely take center stage if SHTF for real and keep more on hand and not count on suppliers having everything available), physical fitness (been out of the Marine Corps for just over a year now and god damn does it feel good to not have to worry about being able to run 3 miles...but it's irresponsible of me to have just completely dropped off the PT routine for as long as I have.

Again, a great read P-14 and thank you for sharing and bumping!
 
The supply chain is funny in this country. I assumed that large urban areas would run short of supplies and be last in the chain to restock them. Apparently, the market is working opposite this.

My daughter in Buffalo and Mother-in-law in Rochester, NY are still having problems getting paper supplies, like napkins, paper towels, and toilet paper. Wipes are impossible to get there. I just picked up a 5 pack of Clorox wipes at Costco and they had 1+ pallets of them out. I'm making a run to them over the holiday to bring them these items!

The other daughter in CA lives in Mountain View and she had similar issues with paper and disinfecting supplies.

Market Basket is fully stocked with paper and is limiting supplies on disinfectant wipes and sprays, but has them most of the time. I guess the Boston metro area is luckier than I thought. ;)
 
P-14 said:
Survival: Vax or No Vax? Comments here!

I feel like a dog: I got my shots!
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I love it when you bump this thread. I reread the article every time and it puts the gears in motion again. Last year it inspired me to purchase the most important tool in my survival repertoire...a ceramic backpackers water purifier filter that will literally last me the rest of my life if I treat it right and take care of it. It was very expensive (over $350), but there might be a time soon when our money won’t buy much of anything, IF anything is even available to purchase! If the last year has taught me anything, it’s that supply chains are extremely fragile and susceptible to failure.

We’re having a luxury right now of seeing the writing on the wall and having the time to prepare for the (hopefully) ‘soft landing’ that WILL be the end of this country as we currently know it. What it looks like after is anyone’s guess, but our main focus needs to be how to survive the crash until it happens...THEN we can worry about the ‘whats next’.

No vax for me yet...I still can’t decide whether to get it or not.
 
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Mtn_Guy said:
Dupe:
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Absolutely NOT a dupe. This is about the angle of receiving/not receiving the vaccine from a survival aspect in a scenario like the one posted in the article.

Truth be told, situations like that have me reconsidering getting the vaccine. There’s no better way to make sure you’re going to die than getting sick with a 2-3 week long flu during a pending apocalypse...and that’s not to mention the long term symptoms/effects.

Do yourself a favor and read the original article. It’ll learn ya something.
 
P-14 said:
Survival: Vax or No Vax? Comments here!

I feel like a dog: I got my shots!
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In all seriousness, if you are interested in the other side of the experimental gene therapy being passed off as a vaccine, you need to listen to alternative media sources.
Start with Tom Woods.
tomwoods.lpages.co

COVID Charts CNN Forgot

The virus is your fault, say the midwits, because you won't stay home and wear two masks. There is zero evidence for this nonsense, and these charts are stakes through the heart of all of it.
tomwoods.lpages.co tomwoods.lpages.co
 
P-14 said:
UPDATED: Survival Checklist Based on the Argentina Meltdown and Bosnian War

Argentina had an economic meltdown in 2001 that still affects that country today. (Link on history)

A survivalist, known as ferfal, has been reporting on TSHTF conditions there in his blog. (Background link)

Recently, andrew.tt posted a link to a 4-part article by ferfal: good SHTF read >>. From this 28-page article, I managed to distill a 10-page checklist that hits all of the survival things we think about and a lot of the things we don't.

FWIW, I hope it is useful to the NES community.

ETA: Found an article entitled, "One Year In Hell" about urban survival in the Bosnian war and worked it into another checklist.

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Those two guys are the real deal if no one has heard of them.
Ferfal from Argentina can give you good perspective on economic collapse.
Selco on what it's like to live in a war zone.
 

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