I apologize if I posted this in the wrong section, but have looked around and could not find an answer. I am very interested in purchasing a Smith & Wesson bodyguard semi-automatic pistol, but find the 10lb trigger pull to be the biggest con of the weapon. Is it legal to adjust the trigger pull of the pistol after purchasing it to something a little more reasonable?
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trigger pull in Mass
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You can do anything you like to your trigger after you buy it.
Yes.
That's not how laws work. Laws generally don't "allow" you to do anything- they only ban you from doing things.
Therefore its legal because there is no law saying you can't do it.
For example, is there a law that grants you permission to breathe? No- you can do it because it's simply not illegal to breathe. Well, at least not until they figure out how to ban that.
-Mike
Agreed, but where is the law that states what is not allowed to do? I have seen alot of opinions on what you can/ can not do, but there seem to be no facts to back up that it is legal for someone to modify there trigger pull.
You don't get it. Again, THERE IS NO LAW REGULATING TRIGGER PULL IN MA. How hard is that to understand?
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You asking about the law is no different than you asking about "But what about the laws on umbrellas? Don't they regulate the size and diameter?" Yes, it's literally not any different than that.
You have to get your head out of the mindset that -EVERYTHING- about guns is regulated. That simply is not the case, not even in a communist state like MA.
-Mike
The fear is that if having to stand in front of a judge a prosecutor argues that you took extra steps to make your evil gun more killy. It's called an ayoobism.
There's no law against modifying your trigger pull. That's just a stupid regulation regarding the sale of firearms, implemented via consumer safety regulations. These regulations only pertain to FFLs. Modify to your heart's content. You don't want to be responsible for a bad shot because you had to pull through that obnoxious trigger.
My advice to you is get some snap caps and dry fire that thing a few thousand times before you have it sent out. Even practice live fire with it. With a gun like that I'd be satisfied if I can hit a pie plate at 11 yds. It's hard to pull through a long, hard, DA pull and keep your sights aligned, esp on guns with tiny sight radii. This practice will make you a better shooter.
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Sounds like you need to take my "MA Gun Laws Seminar" that goes over stuff like this, with citations where there are any (if you ask). See sig line below.
Dude, just read the statutes and regulations.
The regulations promulgated by the AG are here: http://www.mass.gov/ago/government-resources/ags-regulations/940-cmr-1600.html
The portion of interest is 16.05:
As you can see, it governs what a dealer can sell, not what you can possess.
The "consumer protection" statute is in MGL Chapter 140 Section 123. As you can see, it does not have any language about the weight of the trigger pull -- only the AG's regulations have that language: http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXX/Chapter140/Section123
inerlogic
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the law tells dealers what guns they can sell...
guns they CAN sell have to have a certain trigger pull weight.
once the DEALER SELLS THE GUN, you can do whatever to the trigger pull you want,
because like eleventy other people told you, there is no law saying what you can do
there is no law saying you CANNOT modify your trigger (yet)
that means you CAN....
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speaking of which, is anyone who is going to the pumpkin shoot willing to part with a trigger pull weight tester thingy?
i'm going to be lightening the trigger in my savage and want to measure before/after weights, TNX
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some people won't take yes for an answer.
That being said.....with all the a$$hat rules, regs and laws, being gun-shy (pun intended) is a natural (and from the .gov point of view) desirable condition.
That being said.....with all the a$$hat rules, regs and laws, being gun-shy (pun intended) is a natural (and from the .gov point of view) desirable condition.
The laws in MA suck but the "gun shop commando telephone ayoob glue sniffing fumes" effects are more responsible for imaginary/fake laws than anything else. It's just like those email chain letters you get that just won't die, despite the fact that Snopes proved that 95% of them were BS 5+ years ago.
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inerlogic
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You're wrong, i'm sure that cancer having kid wanted those cards the internets told me to send her!
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I was told there is no issue with carrying a pistol with a modified trigger... just that a lawyer for the defendant would try to pawn you off as a gun crazy killer, cause you like a smooth 5lb trigger versus a 1200lb monster pull that the stock MA compliant M&P comes with....
inerlogic
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a lawyer for the defendant will also try to say you like to kill puppies because you played the original castle wolfenstein 3D 25 years ago, and that you are a law breaking maniac because you jaywalked once at 2am on a side street.....
that's what scumbag defense attorneys defending scumbag clients do... and chances are, if anyone is questioning your trigger pull weight... YOU are the defendant
most likely it'll be a scumbag attorney because the scumbag dead guy's family is trying to sue you for murdering their scumbag kid...
@ inerlogic.
All very true... But I'm still worried about swapping the trigger on my smith m&p 40c with the apex kit ( super sweet by the way on my .45)
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All very true... But I'm still worried about swapping the trigger on my smith m&p 40c with the apex kit ( super sweet by the way on my .45)
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If it worries you, just don't do it.
Many of us are more concerned with accuracy of each shot (or for those who have hand strength problems . . . ability to pull the trigger at all) than worrying about arbitrary standards put in place by ignorant, anti-gun legistraitors who pulled a number out of their ass and made it "law" (or regulation)!
Many of us are more concerned with accuracy of each shot (or for those who have hand strength problems . . . ability to pull the trigger at all) than worrying about arbitrary standards put in place by ignorant, anti-gun legistraitors who pulled a number out of their ass and made it "law" (or regulation)!
To summarize: The law dictates/constrains what the gun shop can sell you. There is no specific law that speaks to restrictions on trigger pull for a gun you own. Therefore, the gun shop is covered if they sell you the gun with the 10 lb pull. You are covered if you decide to modify it after purchase because there is no law that explicitly states that the gun, in your possession, must have a specific trigger pull. (Pull my finger ![[grin]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/041.gif "Grin [grin]")
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I carry the bodyguard .380 during the summer as I find it so darn convenient to carry... Not too mention its an accurate lil pea shooter ... I highly recommend its purchase... And my main worrie is not litigation as much as its shooting my boys off when I holster a modified m&p... If its a justified shoot my friend said the trigger don't matter...
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Frankly, I wouldn't worry about a 5 lb trigger becoming a liability. That is a defensible weight.
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yeh... if you're more worried about the legal consequences of shooting the a******, than actually shooting the a******, then maybe it's not the right time to shoot...
if someone really needs shooting, no other thought should be in your mind....
like "damn the consequences this a****** needs to be put down now!"
judged by 12 vs. carried by 6
if someone really needs shooting, no other thought should be in your mind....
like "damn the consequences this a****** needs to be put down now!"
judged by 12 vs. carried by 6
I think 5+ pounds is just fine. While some police departments with Glocks go with a heavier weight, I believe that many use the stock weight, which is 5.5-6.5 lbs.
I can't remember the quote but I think it goes like this " avoid violent acts at all costs but when the time comes... nuke the sob...." I may have paraphrased that a bit... 
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I bought a new Bodyguard yesterday. And the trigger feels like it's 5 or 6 pounds. It feels surprisingly good, so I don't feel that any modification is necessary. Maybe the earlier models had a heavier trigger, or maybe I just got lucky.
