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Ahh, wax on, wax off. Kunichiwa Sen-say.
Lighten up Francis, tune up your funney bone.
Oh , so now your discriminating on a member just cause I might or might not be a cop. I guess you don't even have a funny bone, you must be a LEO.
I think Garner had a pretty good chance of going into respiratory distress regardless of how he was taken down. It's difficult to take someone down and have it not be violent, especially against someone resisting.
I think Garner had a pretty good chance of going into respiratory distress regardless of how he was taken down. It's difficult to take someone down and have it not be violent, especially against someone resisting.
Methinks it was Kosakowski's point that you, in fact, can, if it is done properly.
I'll try it at BJJ this week, and I'll get back to you. Its likely effective, but like most take downs requires practice and it's probably not easy to pull off. Sadly most LE get at most a few hours of combatives training a year. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
I'll try it at BJJ this week, and I'll get back to you. Its likely effective, but like most take downs requires practice and it's probably not easy to pull off. Sadly most LE get at most a few hours of combatives training a year. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
So, you want to have the LEOs come up behind a subject, grab his hair, stomp kick the rear of his knee to effect a take down?
Its a completely unrealistic technique.
You are correct, small amount at inservice, and its a joke.
In regards to the "stomp kick to the rear of the knee"
If I stomp kick you in the rear of your knee, while wearing my jack boots, or my Asolos, Ive just assaulted and battered you with a dangerous weapon, haven't I?
Why would anyone want this?
This is why Im curious as to what you think the ROE should be once past verbal commands. I mean, wouldn't you rather I tased you as opposed to kicking you in the knee?
Pantaleo was obviously behind Garner when he applied the hold.
Im aware. And I thought we agreed his technique was wrong, perhaps in some eyes even murderous. Would you rather he grabbed his face as suggested in the video, and then kicked him in the back of the knee?
Yes.
Fair enough. I suggest you stay in IT
Not an answer. Cop out. (Pardon the pun.)
I envision the kicked one falling uncontrolled to the ground, bashing his head and having an enormous subdural hematoma, possibly leading to death. I can guess this to be very possible and I'm just a plumber. Wax on wax off.Not a bad pun. But Ill bite.
Dorner was a big boy. Kick him in the back of the knee after grabbing his face, and IF Dorner goes down, theres a 50/50 % chance he lands on his chest, or his back. Either way, the video then suggests utilizing your bodyweight and all that to keep him compliant blah blah blah. The video shows a compliant, easily manipulated subject, of roughly equal size and mass of the instructor. To make that technique work, youd need the same size pairings to work, AND for Dorner not to resist once he is kicked in the rear of the knee and headed for the ground.
You also mention that a kick to the rear of the knee is not damaging. Sorry, wrong. Maybe the initial kick may not be damaging, but the ensuing fall more than likely will, whether he lands on his front or back.
And teaching cops to kick anyone is just ill advised.
I envision the kicked one falling uncontrolled to the ground, bashing his head and having an enormous subdural hematoma, possibly leading to death. I can guess this to be very possible and I'm just a plumber. Wax on wax off.
To make that technique work, youd need the same size pairings to work, AND for Dorner not to resist once he is kicked in the rear of the knee and headed for the ground.
Well I think you mean Garner, not Dorner, as they used the "burn the house down while he is inside" technique on Dorner. But I digress.
I assume you have training and experience with the technique in the video demonstrated based on your assertion it only works with "the same size pairings" and no resistance. I mean I certainly don't, but it seemed like the guy in the video does and that isn't what he was saying.
For the record, I don't support this technique or any technique of the sorts. However I do think one point is that if any technique of taking someone down from behind is used, that there are techniques that are safer than others. Surely you can understand that.
Not a bad pun. But Ill bite.
Dorner was a big boy.
The video shows a compliant, easily manipulated subject, of roughly equal size and mass of the instructor. To make that technique work, youd need the same size pairings to work, AND for Dorner not to resist once he is kicked in the rear of the knee and headed for the ground.
You also mention that a kick to the rear of the knee is not damaging. Sorry, wrong. Maybe the initial kick may not be damaging, but the ensuing fall more than likely will, whether he lands on his front or back.
And teaching cops to kick anyone is just ill advised.
Having a plan is all fine and well until your plan doesn't work, then you try something else.
I did indeed mean Garner not Dorner, thank you for the correction.
Yes, I have training in many techniques, both from the military and from LE training. The guy in the video doesn't say how hed react to a guy that was not his size, nor if the guy was non compliant, because he wouldn't use that technique, get it? The guy in the video was compliant, negating the use of ANY technique other than verbal commands in a real life scenario. Having a plan is all fine and well until your plan doesn't work, then you try something else.
I believe he also discussed that in the video, discussing the "alternative" technique - and that would require hours to demonstrate all of those. Did you actually watch the video?
Methinks his point was to demonstrate a better way to have approached the Garner (NOT Dorner 8^) situation given the way it ACTUALLY went down, per the video evidence.