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Wasr 10?
- Thread starter GunGrey
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WASR 10's are your average beater AK47's. It ain't no Maadi. What it can do is cost about $400 and hit a man sized target at 100 yards (with 40 inches of holdover).
All of the AK variants are LTC-A weapons, as they were manufactured to accept regular capacity mags. Ultimately, this is up to the party who transfers you the firearm.
The aftermarket for AK-type rifles is very good, surpassed only by the AR-15 aftermarket.
If you want an AK-type rifle on an FID your best bet is probably an SKS.
All of the AK variants are LTC-A weapons, as they were manufactured to accept regular capacity mags. Ultimately, this is up to the party who transfers you the firearm.
The aftermarket for AK-type rifles is very good, surpassed only by the AR-15 aftermarket.
If you want an AK-type rifle on an FID your best bet is probably an SKS.
See above
Taipan01
NES Member
WASR-10's are okay. There are somethings that you should watch out for but most issues are repairable. Stocks are a bit short for me so I added a 1" rubber butt plate. This one isn't mine (it's from another site by bryan0928post) but it was it's twin:
A rainy day, nothing to do, can turn them into:
Oh, by the way, it shoots 2 inch groups on the 100 yard range.
A rainy day, nothing to do, can turn them into:
Oh, by the way, it shoots 2 inch groups on the 100 yard range.
they definately are legal for fids it was my first purchase i just got home from shooting it i love it.... qaulity wise its just a tool it doesnt bring the blondes home...and in my opinion just use it too shoot because when you turn 21 and your ready to get that golden class a!!... your gonna want the hi cap and if you dont kno the difference between the low cap and high cap the low cap wasr 10 is made for only single stack 10 round mags... a hi cap uses double stack mags which makes the clip wider and wont fit in your low cap... i still own my low cap now that i got my class a i want a 100 round drum ;-) so a high cap is in the near future my friend
GunGrey
Banned
I heard that they were doable on a FID, but wasnt 100% sure. I was out at a couple of gunshops and saw one for a decent price and was thinking about getting it, It had the lowcap mag on it so im pretty sure it wasn't converted yet. Im thinking about getting rid of my SKS for an AK variant But right now im only 20 and still gotta wait till september to turn in my LTC paper work, . So im not sure what I really want to do at the moment, but its turning into one of those things the more I think about it the more i want it.
This shop also had a maadi that was in nice condition.
This shop also had a maadi that was in nice condition.
I purchased one from FSguns in woburn a few years back when they where 249.00. My front sight was straight BUT magazine fit was really sloppy. The trigger was also very rough and would slap back. Other than that it is what it is for the money you pay. I sold mine off to purchase other items. I had no problem with it. the best I could pull off was keeping 30 rounds in the scoreing rings of a SR-1 target.
yea man i kno what you mean hahah you should get it save some money and use it as a trade for cash on a high cap ... my worst impulse buy was the first day i got my class A i traded a saiga 12 for a glock 21 it was because i wanted it so bad but now im kickin myself in the a** because i could of got a glock 21 anywhere anytime... hopefully the laws dont change to where i cant get a saiga 12 because the gun is bada** if you never heard of it look it up its a ak shotgun....
Taipan01
NES Member
Same here/time frame/price with FS Woburn. They had mine strung down from the ceiling with bare wire causing some scratching on the barrel. The wobble can be cured by building internal dimples. Mine had a bit but now none. Takes about 15 minutes. The trigger slap is curable too. The key thing is to pick one without the canted front sight but even that is not a big job. What I forgot mentioned before was that the OP needs the low cap version with only an FID card. Hi cap rifles need an LTC B minimum. Someone more fluent in Lawyerese can chirp in if I flub it. With an FID card, you can only obtain a rifle that can accept 10 rounds or less, barring 22's. Say in the case of the AK. Even if you only have 10 round or less magazines for it but it can accept higher capacity magazines, you are in violation. Until you upgrade to at least an LTC B that will be your limit. The key is "can it accept." To expand it a bit: The LTC B will allow you high capacity rifles, low capacity pistols. LTC A will upgrade you to high capacity pistols. There is still a lot of dumbness in this. For instance, you can buy a single stack 1911 with the LTC B and be okay but, there are manufactures that produce extended and/or snail drums for them which pushes them beyond the 10 in the true definition.
The mag wobbles on the high-cap modified WASRs because they were originally made for the 10 round mag which doesn't require the supporting dimples in the receiver. The original low-cap WASR should be OK on an FID no problem, but I could see some dealers not selling them to FID holders.
flintoid
Banned
a WASR will do you just fine for an entry level AK. There is absolutely nothing wrong with them. If someone tells you that they are garbage, they either don't know what they're talking about or they are a AR15.net schmuck.
Now, often they are not perfect. Especially early models that were made by Century Arms on american barrels. They can come in rough shape, but like any rifle it is entirely fixable. I'll try to list off problems with the associated solution.
-Canted sight
this is where the gas block/rear sight is canted. The following is where the front sight is canted:
solution: These can be easily knocked back into place by simple means like a vise grips (wrapped in duct tape and cloth so you don't take off your finish) or by tapping them back into place with a rubber mallet. Or you can go as far as removing the parts respective pins, rotating the part, and then re-inserting them. Sometimes this is necessary as the pin slots on the barrel aren't sloppy enough for you to "knock them back into form" and you have to redrill them. This is very rare. Easiest thing to do is buy a rifle that doesn't have canted sights![[smile]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/001.gif "Smile [smile]")
-Sloppy magwell
As far as this goes, this is the luck of the draw. Unless you can bring a few magazines, or have the dealer test fit some mags, this is one of those things that'll vary from one magazine to the other. But then again, all mags might fit loosy goosy in converted low-cap WASR. If you wanted a high cap, you can get a WASR with these mag dimples, but you'd also need a LTC-A. Here's what people are talking about.. it's the oval dimple just to the left of the scope rail and to the right of the lower rivet:
I have several different kinds of mags and they all act differently in my rifles. I build mine, so they all have tight fits, but some people don't like this as the mag won't "drop" when you hit the release.
Bottom line- even if it is a "sloppy fit" it'll still load and fire all day long. If it doesn't, you should be able to return it to the dealer and demonstrate it's failure to load, and get your money back.
-crappy furniture
A WASR aint no ferrari as far as AKs go. They are cheap for a reason. So the furniture is going to probably be pine, or just hacked up romanian wood. There are so many different aftermarket stocks, grips, foregrips out there that this shouldn't be a problem. Tapco makes tons of synthetic stuff for AKs that is dirt cheap. And if anything else, you can refinish the stock like Taipan01 did. Simple as that.
-trigger slap
answer:
(that's a Tapco G2 trigger group, single hook)
$27 Smooths out trigger feel a ton, too.
Just make sure that you get the version for your rifle's receiver. They come in Single Hook or Double Hook versions.
The above picture is depicting the trigger hole on the receiver. It's where the trigger hangs below the receiver.
Now as far as "it aint no Maadi" goes, this stems from the belief that Maadi AKs were made from Russian tooling in Egypt when they got the Kalashnikov license. This can be true. I'm not positive on this, as I haven't seen proof, but their tooling changed in the 80's to the russian tools... early models in the 70's were not licensed by Kalashnikov and were fairly crude. Now, as far as "goodness" goes for AK parts made by different countries and claiming that the Maadi is cream of the crop, this only matters when you're talking either to a AK snob purist who wants something as close to a Ruskie Rifle as he can get, or to someone who doesn't like seeing tool marks (machining marks, bending mars, etc) on his AK parts. And now you can start talking about parts with matching serial numbers, what are the parts that were sacrificed to 922r (a federal law that requires you to have a certain percentage of domestic parts on your 'foreign' rifle), was the rifle molested by a previous owner or was it a parts kit build, etc. Basically make sure it has a "made in egypt" deal on it's receiver. If it doesn't, then it's a parts kit build, and you could be dealing with one hell of a mutt.
For someone looking for his first rifle, you won't care at all. So the money you'll save with a WASR will go towards the ammo that you'll need for practice.
Anyways, AKs can be as simple or as complicated as you like. I got the sickness and want every version on the face of the planet. Hopefully you don't end up like me.
Now, often they are not perfect. Especially early models that were made by Century Arms on american barrels. They can come in rough shape, but like any rifle it is entirely fixable. I'll try to list off problems with the associated solution.
-Canted sight
this is where the gas block/rear sight is canted. The following is where the front sight is canted:
solution: These can be easily knocked back into place by simple means like a vise grips (wrapped in duct tape and cloth so you don't take off your finish) or by tapping them back into place with a rubber mallet. Or you can go as far as removing the parts respective pins, rotating the part, and then re-inserting them. Sometimes this is necessary as the pin slots on the barrel aren't sloppy enough for you to "knock them back into form" and you have to redrill them. This is very rare. Easiest thing to do is buy a rifle that doesn't have canted sights
-Sloppy magwell
As far as this goes, this is the luck of the draw. Unless you can bring a few magazines, or have the dealer test fit some mags, this is one of those things that'll vary from one magazine to the other. But then again, all mags might fit loosy goosy in converted low-cap WASR. If you wanted a high cap, you can get a WASR with these mag dimples, but you'd also need a LTC-A. Here's what people are talking about.. it's the oval dimple just to the left of the scope rail and to the right of the lower rivet:
I have several different kinds of mags and they all act differently in my rifles. I build mine, so they all have tight fits, but some people don't like this as the mag won't "drop" when you hit the release.
Bottom line- even if it is a "sloppy fit" it'll still load and fire all day long. If it doesn't, you should be able to return it to the dealer and demonstrate it's failure to load, and get your money back.
-crappy furniture
A WASR aint no ferrari as far as AKs go. They are cheap for a reason. So the furniture is going to probably be pine, or just hacked up romanian wood. There are so many different aftermarket stocks, grips, foregrips out there that this shouldn't be a problem. Tapco makes tons of synthetic stuff for AKs that is dirt cheap. And if anything else, you can refinish the stock like Taipan01 did. Simple as that.
-trigger slap
answer:
$27 Smooths out trigger feel a ton, too.
Just make sure that you get the version for your rifle's receiver. They come in Single Hook or Double Hook versions.
The above picture is depicting the trigger hole on the receiver. It's where the trigger hangs below the receiver.
Now as far as "it aint no Maadi" goes, this stems from the belief that Maadi AKs were made from Russian tooling in Egypt when they got the Kalashnikov license. This can be true. I'm not positive on this, as I haven't seen proof, but their tooling changed in the 80's to the russian tools... early models in the 70's were not licensed by Kalashnikov and were fairly crude. Now, as far as "goodness" goes for AK parts made by different countries and claiming that the Maadi is cream of the crop, this only matters when you're talking either to a AK snob purist who wants something as close to a Ruskie Rifle as he can get, or to someone who doesn't like seeing tool marks (machining marks, bending mars, etc) on his AK parts. And now you can start talking about parts with matching serial numbers, what are the parts that were sacrificed to 922r (a federal law that requires you to have a certain percentage of domestic parts on your 'foreign' rifle), was the rifle molested by a previous owner or was it a parts kit build, etc. Basically make sure it has a "made in egypt" deal on it's receiver. If it doesn't, then it's a parts kit build, and you could be dealing with one hell of a mutt.
For someone looking for his first rifle, you won't care at all. So the money you'll save with a WASR will go towards the ammo that you'll need for practice.
Anyways, AKs can be as simple or as complicated as you like. I got the sickness and want every version on the face of the planet. Hopefully you don't end up like me.
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FWIW the "Wasr with the mag dimples" is not a WASR. It's a SAR-1, which will easily command a $100+ premium over a typical WASR rifle. Typical WASRs just have a plates welded inside the mag well to try to stabilize the mag. It will wobble, that's just the nature of the beast. If he wants to get out of that territory he's going to have to find a SAR-1 or put some more money into the mix and get another higher quality clone.
WASR's aren't "junk" per se, but they're not going to win any superlative quality awards anytime soon. The biggest attraction is the price, and generally speaking the rifles will function reliably.
-Mike
WASR's aren't "junk" per se, but they're not going to win any superlative quality awards anytime soon. The biggest attraction is the price, and generally speaking the rifles will function reliably.
-Mike
![[wink]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/002.gif "Wink [wink]")
flintoid
Banned
Isn't it funny how rifles that were once considered "junk" like the SAR-1, etc. are now fetching pretty good prices? It's a trend that I hope stops. We'll see WASRs at +$600 ranges in three years give or take. Or like the pre-ban norincos. Those things sold for nothing back in the late 80's and early 90's. Now you have to part with $1k in order to get one of them. Ridiculous.
That's good shooting, p-14.
I agree with flintoid on the price. Right now, at least in Mass, they seem to still be going for 200-300 more than what they are really worth. For another $100 you could probably buy a better quality AR15.
I bought a WASR 10 when they were cheap. Not my favorite rifle, but it's fun to wow new shooters and blast sh!t. People know that AK 'look' and are strangely drawn to it. If you want an AK on the cheap, go for it if you can find one for short money.
I'd love a Polytech. If I only had the cash...
I'd love a Polytech. If I only had the cash...
MainelyFree
NES Member
Steve,
You could get the single-stack version of the Wasr-10 with your FID. Be sure that you don't pay the same amount for the single-stack as you would the hi-cap version. The lo-cap version should run you $75-$100 dollars less than the hi-cap version. Once you get your LTC you can always convert your lo-cap to a hi-cap (instructions for this are easily found on the web). You will need to be sure that you are 922(r) compliant if you make any modifications to your rifle though...
+1 on the Maadi
S
