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What should I buy for a full size semi auto
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I like the 10mm round but finding decently priced stuff is like finding an honest politician... not gonna happen. If you reload then it is a viable option. G21 has been loved by many but in my search for a new 45 I went with the m&p and couldn't be happier. New gun with a "fixed" trigger for less cash than the glock
boilermaker
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I would stay with .45 unless you reload
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I'm assuming this is for carry, because otherwise why get anything except a 1911?
managed to get a M&P 45 with a "out of state" trigger, and I like it very much. The changeable hand grip works for me because I have small hands, and need something thin. If you get one with MA trigger, it will have to be worked over by a gunsmith, or at least get the Apex kit, which helps a lot (I did that for a 9mm M&P).
managed to get a M&P 45 with a "out of state" trigger, and I like it very much. The changeable hand grip works for me because I have small hands, and need something thin. If you get one with MA trigger, it will have to be worked over by a gunsmith, or at least get the Apex kit, which helps a lot (I did that for a 9mm M&P).
Glockster30
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There were more G21 pre-ban mags made than G20, if that is what is meant. However, good luck finding them.
Yes indeed. They're the most common pre ban mag you can find compared to all other calipers. And I'm not talking U notch. 90% of the time, a used G21 will come with a PB mag. You can find them. You don't need luck.
ETA: I'm always in non free state way of thinking unfortunately. A 21 will be at least $200 less on average that a 10mm. Not sure of OP's location.
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Glockster30
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You're right, you don't need luck. You just need money. There are 4 G21 square mags on GunBroker for $560 or $140/mag. I rest my case.
Glockster30
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That's why I have a G19, G21, G22 (with 9mm conversion barrel), G23, G27, and G30. (Also have Colt Gold Cup and Para P14 for my 1911 needs!)
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I'm looking at a Sig P227, it will eventually come out with 14 round mags. Plus, I will be able to get half off. that's why I'm choosing it over the glock 21 and XDm. My brother has the 227 and loves it!
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don't understand the comment on why anything but a 1911 if not for carry. Practice is everything and unless you are either never going to carry or committed to a lot of practice (and associated ammo costs) I'd go with the same family, IE a Glock 17/19 or 21/30 or M&P 9 etc.
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FNS-9mm.
Because like any every other gun, 1911s have their disadvantages.
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Def a glock...I would buy what ever caliber you can readily find in your area.
Funny but I have a few Glocks and love them, but after shooting the FNS-9 today I like them a lot better than Glock. Thinner profile, ambi controls, better grip. Yeah it has a manual safety which I hate but I just never use it.
hickok even said "if Glocks were outlawed tomorrow and I had to choose another handgun I'd get an FNS". SOLD.
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Thanks for all the great advice, I was looking to keep the cost down so that's why I was leaning towards a glock, I have a 27 and love it. I want to eventually get a 1911, I just am trying to keep it simple for now. I just have this burning desire to buy something full size that delivers a massive amount of punch. Nobody told me this sport was so addicting, I only started shooting regularly in October, and cant get enough of it.
Cur
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This. The HK45 is a tank, and one smooth shooter.
dcmdon
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Yeah, but for a range toy, the 1911 is hard to beat.
I'm with you on anything defensive in nature. But for punching paper, a good 1911 rules. I can shoot clover leafs at 30 ft all day long with my Les Baer 1911. I'm not even close to that with my G34.
dcmdon
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Based on this. Get a Glock 21.
You want loud. You want recoil. You want big holes. Get a .45. You won't be disappointed.
The 10mm is even better if you reload. Its actually cheaper to reload than .45 if you can score some brass since .40 cal bullets are cheaper than .45. But I'm guessing thats not the case.
One other thought. Why not get yourself a big blaster and broaden your horizons at the same time. Thats right. i'm thinking .44 Magnum revolver.
I find that particularly on shorter range stages, I'm significantly faster with my Glock 34 than my Wilson 1911, and I've been shooting 1911s for 20+ years.
dcmdon
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Interesting. Well you've figured out the Glock reset. Ha.
How do you do slowfire with the Wilson vs the G34?
One other thing. My G35 with a KKM 9mm conversion barrel is actually more accurate than my G34. I don't know if it is the lockup or the barrel itself. The KKM barrel is very nicely finished. Nicer than the stock Glock barrel and MUCH nicer than a Lone Wolf.
Yes, the short reset of the Glock trigger, combined with the low bore axis, reduced recoil from 9mm, grip tape, and a firm grip, all help reduce split times. I've also done a .25 trigger job and replaced the crappy stock Glock sights.
Also, even with a Dawson ICE magwell on my Wilson, my mag changes are faster and less fumble prone with the Glock. The tapered double-stack magazine and wide opening really helps, along with the fact that if I firmly seat the Glock mag the slide will close on its own.
Slow fire I'm better with my Wilson (or Kimber) than my Glock 34, and that is particularly noticeable at longer distances. But my practice focuses on action shooting competition, so I do little bullseye style slow fire.
It is an interesting deja vu all over again thing for me. My first gun was a Glock 17 and I couldn't hit crap with it. When I later got a Glock 23, I found it was significantly more accurate than my since sold Glock 17, so it wasn't all me (but much of it was). For most of the past 15 years, my Glocks have sat in the safe as I've been shooting 1911s.
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dcmdon
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It is interesting since your timeline and some experiences are about the exact opposite of mine.
I had a 1911 first. It was a strike era Gold Cup. The trigger was like someone drenched it in oil then rolled it in the sand.
Then I got a glock and shot it in IDPA from '98 to '08.
About 3 years ago I returned to the 1911 after shooting a Wilson then a Baer.
I'm faster with my 1911 but I shoot wussy cheater loads with 4 gr of Clays a 200 gr bullet and a 11 lb recoil spring.
I had a 23 and though it was reasonably accurate, its recoil did not agree with me. I got a 26 and then a 34 and was very happy.
Don
p.s. During the economic meltdown of 08, I was able to figuratively steal a gun I have no right owning. A Brazos custom limited gun. I don't reload .40 yet, so I don't shoot it much, but boy is that thing a tack driver.
I had a 1911 first. It was a strike era Gold Cup. The trigger was like someone drenched it in oil then rolled it in the sand.
Then I got a glock and shot it in IDPA from '98 to '08.
About 3 years ago I returned to the 1911 after shooting a Wilson then a Baer.
I'm faster with my 1911 but I shoot wussy cheater loads with 4 gr of Clays a 200 gr bullet and a 11 lb recoil spring.
I had a 23 and though it was reasonably accurate, its recoil did not agree with me. I got a 26 and then a 34 and was very happy.
Don
p.s. During the economic meltdown of 08, I was able to figuratively steal a gun I have no right owning. A Brazos custom limited gun. I don't reload .40 yet, so I don't shoot it much, but boy is that thing a tack driver.
At the time I got the 23, it was between when Chapter 180 was passed but before the AG's regulations were being enforced. In other words, Glocks were scarce on the ground, so I took what I could get. I would have preferred a 19.
I've recently picked up a 19, and just did the 25 cent trigger job on it and changed the sights. I haven't had a chance to shoot it since then, but I'd like to shoot it side by side with the 23. I haven't found the 23 to have a lot of recoil (certainly nothing like my K40), but it clearly has more recoil than my 34.
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Nope. None at all.
Slide mounted safeties just suck.
It's pretty much part of the "Meh" Club.
Slide mounted safety, Can't remove sights (except on some newer guns), single action triggers often have this terrible creepy letoff.... only "nice" things about the 92 series is normal preban mags are everywhere for cheap money, and the guns generally run forever, and place the ejected brass in neat piles. Back when I had a 92FS if I was shooting the same brand of ammo while stationary, I could strategically place a 5 gal bucket a few feet away and most of the brass would land in that bucket with an odd flyer here and there.
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