Which 1911 is better?

[22lr]

Alright not top open another thread about 1911's

i need everyone's help in deciding Between a Springfield TRP, and a Springfield Loaded 1911 Long Beach Operator.
i am leaning torwards the long beach operator because i am a fan of the smooth front strap. but i don't know if the TRP is that much better
They have the trp with a bull barrel bushingless barrel that i don't understand why it would be better than a match fit bushing.. or a rail less version that sucks compared to the LBO

This is the LBO

Good thing they wrote "tactical" on the slide, otherwise that could be really embarrassing.

 

[PistolShooter]

Alright not top open another thread about 1911's

i need everyone's help in deciding Between a Springfield TRP, and a Springfield Loaded 1911 Long Beach Operator.
i am leaning torwards the long beach operator because i am a fan of the smooth front strap. but i don't know if the TRP is that much better
They have the trp with a bull barrel bushingless barrel that i don't understand why it would be better than a match fit bushing.. or a rail less version that sucks compared to the LBO

This is the LBO

I've had the standard TRP with bushing, no rail for almost 10 years. Slide is smooth as glass though the gun always shot low. I swapped the rear sight for an adjustable and that solved the problem. Always been a range/competition gun for me so I didn't care. I love the springfields though have read about the shooting low issue on other forums, probably should send mine in someday.


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[MMArtist]

Can't stand the billboarding on 1911s these days. Especially the "Tactical" billboarding on the rail there . Could definitely do without that.

 

[DW357]

Can't stand the billboarding on 1911s these days. Especially the "Tactical" billboarding on the rail there . Could definitely do without that.

But how else will people know if you're a true operator?...

 

[45collector]

But how else will people know if you're a true operator?...

Shemagh and cool glasses. Duh.

 

[Lsgun1]

The railed TRP has a bull barrel and adjustable rear sight. The non railed appears to be same as that LBO minus the checkering. I seem to recall a thread where you said you wore gloves so the checkering should only increase grip with gloves on.

Also funny you went from basically the cheapest 1911 to arguably the best production one

 

[plynch113]

I don't see much for a 1911 selection in my stores. I would like to know if any one in MA know a shop who has nice 1911 selection. I'm lookin for Dan Wesson, Springfield trp, sig 1911 other than the TTT, etc....

 

[Parker Duofold]

I don't see much for a 1911 selection in my stores. I would like to know if any one in MA know a shop who has nice 1911 selection. I'm lookin for Dan Wesson, Springfield trp, sig 1911 other than the TTT, etc....

I'll say it...

You're probably not going to see a Springfield TRP (or any new Springfield pistol), Dan Wesson or non- Massachusetts compliant handguns in Mass. shops.

 

[Bistro]

Personally I like the bushingless barrel with the full rail more, just add the Dawson trap door recoil rod and bushing. Makes field stripping a snap. I love 20 lpi front checkering, I have calloused hands anyway, the thing does not move from your hands. Lot of people don't like it, like everything just personal preference.

you can't go wrong with any Springfield, if it does, they have awesome customer service

 

[Queen Bee]

The railed TRP has a bull barrel and adjustable rear sight. The non railed appears to be same as that LBO minus the checkering. I seem to recall a thread where you said you wore gloves so the checkering should only increase grip with gloves on.

Also funny you went from basically the cheapest 1911 to arguably the best production one

what can i say .. i have changed my ways, once a glock girl .. now a 1911 girl too..

 

[bigblue]

I'll say it...

You're probably not going to see a Springfield TRP (or any new Springfield pistol), Dan Wesson or non- Massachusetts compliant handguns in Mass. shops.

Yep. Browse the classifieds or make friends with one lol

Acquiring "off list" guns takes a bit more creativity and determination than your average S&W chaff.

 

[dcmdon]

I have owned both. The sig TTT is the only 1911 i have kept. Something around 4k rounds no hiccups. Great shooter. No need for trigger jobs. Just shoot it. Human is limiting factor, not gun.

For what its worth. I took a class at the Sig Academy last year with about 10 people in it. In the course of 2 days we put between 1300 and 1600 rounds through each of our guns. We started with about 5 - 1911s. By the second day 3 people had switched to their backup guns. The 2 1911s still running were Sigs. One of them was a rental gun with god only knows how many rounds through it.

With that said, My Les Baer has well over 15K rounds through it by now and has never given me problems.

Anyway, I just thought I'd pipe in with one datapoint.

Don

p.s. I used a Glock 19 and did not experience one single failure of any kind.

 

[peterthefish]

I don't see much for a 1911 selection in my stores. I would like to know if any one in MA know a shop who has nice 1911 selection. I'm lookin for Dan Wesson, Springfield trp, sig 1911 other than the TTT, etc....

If you just want a chance to finger **** all of the above check out D&L in RI.

 

[Parker Duofold]

This would be a good start:
http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/324987-COLT-MK-IV-GOVERNMENT-SERIES-80-45

I have no connection with the seller.

Can't go wrong with a real Colt 1911.

 

[peterthefish]

This would be a good start:
http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/324987-COLT-MK-IV-GOVERNMENT-SERIES-80-45

I have no connection with the seller.

Can't go wrong with a real Colt 1911.

Yeah who doesn't want shitty sights, an old school grip safety, short thumb safety, no checkering, and a plastic MSH.

 

[dcmdon]

Yeah who doesn't want shitty sights, an old school grip safety, short thumb safety, no checkering, and a plastic MSH.

Oh my god that's funny.

It was an epiphany for me the first time I picked up a Lea Baer after shooting a Gold Cup for years.

 

[peterthefish]

Oh my god that's funny.

It was an epiphany for me the first time I picked up a Lea Baer after shooting a Gold Cup for years.

My first 1911 pattern gun from Colt was a Delta Gold Cup. At least it had halfway decent sights, but man what a POS. I already had some Sig and DW 1911s, that Colt was a distant third.

I forgot about the sharp edges... according to some Colt fanbois who must not shoot much, that's a feature not a bug.

 

[jkelly1229]

Ford doesn't make supercars on a normal basis like Ferrari. Sig doesn't make Wilson combat 1911's on a regular basis. Sig makes affordable guns, like ford and there cars.

Clearly you've never seen how much an x5 or x6 costs. There is a reason the gun costs that much just like there is a reason a ferrari costs that much. The reason is they are hand assembled most sigs are not. They are inspected tuned to shit and tested with like 75 rounds in the hands of a shooter who has the experience to tell the difference between a 900 dollar sig and a 2800 dollar Wilson. Its the hand fitting and inspecting and tuning that bumps these guns in price up. You can throw a match barrel in a lorcin if you really wanted to(probably). But the guys who makes these high end firearms like a sig X5 or wilson combat or nighthawk. They are top tier gunsmiths, and their labor costs money and they put hours into each of these guns.

 

[peterthefish]

Clearly you've never seen how much an x5 or x6 costs. There is a reason the gun costs that much just like there is a reason a ferrari costs that much. The reason is they are hand assembled most sigs are not. They are inspected tuned to shit and tested with like 75 rounds in the hands of a shooter who has the experience to tell the difference between a 900 dollar sig and a 2800 dollar Wilson. Its the hand fitting and inspecting and tuning that bumps these guns in price up. You can throw a match barrel in a lorcin if you really wanted to(probably). But the guys who makes these high end firearms like a sig X5 or wilson combat or nighthawk. They are top tier gunsmiths, and their labor costs money and they put hours into each of these guns.

Oh come on. Is the fit and finish nicer on a Wilson than a Sig or DW? Sure. Does extensive hand fitting make it more accurate or reliable or anything? Hardly.

But hey, if you have a Wilson combat or a Nighthawk you can talk about how it "oozes quality" or how you can "feel the difference".

Ferraris cost a lot more than Fords for entirely different reasons than a WC costs more than a SIG.

 

[bigblue]

Frame on an X5 also takes 6-7 hours just to machine, not to mention the hand fitting and balance of assembly.

1/4 the cost will get you 85% of the performance. Getting that extra 10-15% of performance and accuracy costs 4-5x as much. Of course there is the added cost of a marque name but this whole equation is true of all high end goods.

You could buy a Vette with 95% the performance of a Ferrari for 1/4 the cost. Hell, Ford makes the GT. You could carry this over to almost any category from stereos to bolt guns to scopes to scotch. Those with the money are willing and able to pay 5x the cost for that added cache and slight performance edge. And the fact that peons can't afford it.

 

[Supermoto]

Oh come on. Is the fit and finish nicer on a Wilson than a Sig or DW? Sure. Does extensive hand fitting make it more accurate or reliable or anything? Hardly.

Not only will it be more accurate and more reliable, it will also last longer. Lots of factory 1911 will tear themselves apart at 5k to 10k. 30K and they are junk. Properly build guns will still be tight at 50K and run past 100k. if you shoot 30k a year, it makes a huge difference

 

[Gammon]

Not only will it be more accurate and more reliable, it will also last longer. Lots of factory 1911 will tear themselves apart at 5k to 10k. 30K and they are junk. Properly build guns will still be tight at 50K and run past 100k. if you shoot 30k a year, it makes a huge difference

+1 I have had custom pistols go over 100,000 rounds with very little wear. Small parts like hammers, sears, and extractors did have to be replaced periodically.

 

[dcmdon]

Oh come on. Is the fit and finish nicer on a Wilson than a Sig or DW? Sure. Does extensive hand fitting make it more accurate or reliable or anything? Hardly.

But hey, if you have a Wilson combat or a Nighthawk you can talk about how it "oozes quality" or how you can "feel the difference".

Ferraris cost a lot more than Fords for entirely different reasons than a WC costs more than a SIG.

Ever since my "trauma" with my Gold cup, which had a trigger like you dunked in 30 wt oil and rolled it in sand, I've owned only mid to high end 1911s.

I've found my sweet spot.

The high end ones were very very nice. (Wilson and Nighthawk), but didn't shoot any better than my Les Baer and Dan Wesson. When I moved to MA and could get my money back out of the WC and Nighthawk, I sold them.

I still have the Les Baer and DW PM9. I shoot them regularly and they run great. The Les Baer has over 15,000 rounds through it now. Which certainly won't impress the hard core competition guys, but is more than most guns get in a lifetime. Its even still on the original extractor.

I also have a Brazos Custom limited gun built on a 2011 frame that I quite figuratively STOLE during the great recession. Its the nicest handgun I own. But its in .40 and I never shoot it. Someday, I'll get tired of looking at and marveling at its 2 lb 2 ounce trigger and sell it.

Don