17-year-old arrested in killing of 2 people in Kenosha

308rifleman said:
THANK YOU! The one even remotely correct answer in what has been a thread load of purified donkey shit! Nobody wants another civil war. My ancestors lived through the first one and folks, it ain't pretty! We use our firearms for sport shooting, hunting and home protection, but only a seriously sick individual would even think about using them to wage war against his countrymen. That is where my family and I completely part company from the internet Rambos and anarchists who want to overthrow our government. I really feel sorry for some of the demented individuals here on NES and if I get banned, so be it! Good luck to you wannabes lawyers and Rambo commandos. Looks like Biden and his darkie running mate are about to count final coup. Hope you are prepared. As for me, ready the incoming salvos; I am already well dug-in!
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weekendracer said:
I've said it before, a civil war in the US today will be the worst thing to ever hit the planet. It should be avoided at all costs, the body count will be in the billions of people due to secondary effects. While I can see it happening, I pray every day it doesn't. The costs are way beyond the lives that will be lost in the US alone.
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I disagree to an extent. What I DO agree with is that it's not something anyone should be taking lightly and cheering on. It's a last resort and an awful one at that. But sometimes a horror show is necessary. I certainly agree it would be an absolute horror show, but there's simply no denying at this point that our country is completely unfixable by simply voting demonstrated by the fact that in 2016 the majority of the country voted for socialism. The risk is, what comes out the other side, even in victory by "our side", might look nothing at all like what we wanted....or a fractured US and crippled fedgov opens the door to a hostile takeover by China or something and WWIII.

A choice is coming though and I think it's only matter of time: we accept tyranny, and the inevitable slide of the country into socialism, or we fight to stop it, with blood equity. Make no mistake, the country has been trending left for a long time. AZ is almost a blue state now. CA jerkoffs are invading TX. TX goes blue and there will NEVER be another republican POTUS again. Scarier, it doesn't even take TX to flip. A couple of the small swing states to go solid blue is all it would take. Whether people want to admit it or not, TX is damn near a purple state even now. Give it 10 - 15 years after the Californians are done invading. Trump only won in 2016 because Hillary took MI and WI for granted and Trump's people outsmarted her, so great slick chess move but the majority of people wanted that gross c*** to win. Every POTUS race has been the Dems to lose for decades now, not the other way around and not even "anyone's game". Luckily the clown car of candidates the dems keep putting out only helps us. All it takes though is another slick talking charismatic black dude as opposed to a senile dementia patient or an unlikeable shrew and it's over.

If this trend leftward isn't stopped, we or our kids/grandkids are going to be living in an America that looks a lot more like England or France than the country we grew up in. I'm more afraid of that than I am of bodies stacked like cordwood. I don't wan the war to fall on my son's shoulders. I'd prefer it happen 100 years from now. But if it were to start tomorrow the choice is an easy one as I'd rather die a free man than live one god damned minute in a socialist America.
 
308rifleman said:
Its what it ships with. 5 or 10 round magazines and no "evil features". If what you say is true, then the very ancient Remington Model 8 hunting rifle would not be FID legal. FFLs in border states like NH and ME are intimately familiar with MA laws. No way in hell are they selling a gun to a MA resident that doesn't have the proper license to possess it in MA.
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FFLs in MA aren't even "intimately familiar" with MA laws. [laugh] [rofl][laugh][rofl][laugh][rofl][laugh][rofl]
 
The country isn't trending that far left, that is a spell to cover the voter fraud. Yes most of the people we import are genetically leftists, but Americans are still Americans. About 308rifleman he lost me, we are all internet Rambos going out to stupidly fight for America, he is smart enough not to fight. Then Biden is going to win, but that is OK 'cause 308r is all dug in and ready to fight. Huh whut?
Rittenhouse for President 2024. With ACB on the court we can change the Constitutional age limit for Kyle.
 
A civil war on this country is in the makings right now and has been since BLM/Antifa has been destroying shit. It’s not going to be total war like it’s 1865 again in my opinion, it’s going to be organized groups planning attacks like we been seeing all summer, instead of property damage being the objective it will be to kill white/Trump people indiscriminately and retaliations from Trump side. The scale of it will yet to be determined. That’s my take on it. Any gun owner that would be hesitant to defend his or her home or livelihood from other armed thugs shouldn’t own guns it’s simple as that. No Rambo shit just situational awareness.
 
SHOCKNAWE said:
A civil war on this country is in the makings right now and has been since BLM/Antifa has been destroying shit. It’s not going to be total war like it’s 1865 again in my opinion, it’s going to be organized groups planning attacks like we been seeing all summer, instead of property damage being the objective it will be to kill white/Trump people indiscriminately and retaliations from Trump side. The scale of it will yet to be determined. That’s my take on it. Any gun owner that would be hesitant to defend his or her home or livelihood from other armed thugs shouldn’t own guns it’s simple as that. No Rambo shit just situational awareness.
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"Sounds like something Rambo would say."

-308Rifleman
 
308rifleman said:
You are a navy veteran? Which one? PRC? I heard they have the biggest navy in the world now, along with the biggest army!
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jhblaze1 said:
I disagree to an extent. What I DO agree with is that it's not something anyone should be taking lightly and cheering on. It's a last resort and an awful one at that. But sometimes a horror show is necessary. I certainly agree it would be an absolute horror show, but there's simply no denying at this point that our country is completely unfixable by simply voting demonstrated by the fact that in 2016 the majority of the country voted for socialism. The risk is, what comes out the other side, even in victory by "our side", might look nothing at all like what we wanted....or a fractured US and crippled fedgov opens the door to a hostile takeover by China or something and WWIII.

A choice is coming though and I think it's only matter of time: we accept tyranny, and the inevitable slide of the country into socialism, or we fight to stop it, with blood equity. Make no mistake, the country has been trending left for a long time. AZ is almost a blue state now. CA jerkoffs are invading TX. TX goes blue and there will NEVER be another republican POTUS again. Scarier, it doesn't even take TX to flip. A couple of the small swing states to go solid blue is all it would take. Whether people want to admit it or not, TX is damn near a purple state even now. Give it 10 - 15 years after the Californians are done invading. Trump only won in 2016 because Hillary took MI and WI for granted and Trump's people outsmarted her, so great slick chess move but the majority of people wanted that gross c*** to win. Every POTUS race has been the Dems to lose for decades now, not the other way around and not even "anyone's game". Luckily the clown car of candidates the dems keep putting out only helps us. All it takes though is another slick talking charismatic black dude as opposed to a senile dementia patient or an unlikeable shrew and it's over.

If this trend leftward isn't stopped, we or our kids/grandkids are going to be living in an America that looks a lot more like England or France than the country we grew up in. I'm more afraid of that than I am of bodies stacked like cordwood. I don't wan the war to fall on my son's shoulders. I'd prefer it happen 100 years from now. But if it were to start tomorrow the choice is an easy one as I'd rather die a free man than live one god damned minute in a socialist America.
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I could be wrong, but I'm not sure he meant in direct casualties. How many truck drivers, farmers, meat packers, healthcare workers etc would have to die to cripple our food and energy distribution? Or how FEW? And without daily shipments of food, electricity & gas flowing smoothly into our homes, how many will die that never even see a battlefield? The logistics it takes for hundreds of millions of non combatants to stay "safely" home are very different from the 30m population of the US during the last civil war.

That aside, if we do come to a shooting civil war, it's going to be bloody.
 
308rifleman said:
... We use our firearms for sport shooting, hunting and home protection, but only a seriously sick individual would even think about using them to wage war against his countrymen. That is where my family and I completely part company from the internet Rambos and anarchists who want to overthrow our government. ...
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JFC what the hell happened to this thread?

We were talking about someone defending themselves and having law ‘enforcement’ come down on him like a ton of bricks. meanwhile Burn, Loot & Murder with basement dwellers Antifa have been committing all manner of crime with no reaction.

Let’s make this simple, whether Civil War II starts or not is beyond my control. I will not tolerate election fraud, constitutional violations or anything else against the founding. Does that mean I start shooting on Jan 21st? Of course not - it means I ignore them. ‘Shall not Comply’ ring any bells? Does that mean I’m rolling to DC loaded for bear? Of course not. It does mean that persons directing/conducting raids are fair game and the best time and place to hit them is not when they are stacked at my front door. It’s at the drive thru of Dunkins or the gas pumps or at the stop sign.

I’m being positive that Trump will win with a GOP House & Senate and they start arresting the criminals that have been given a pass for too long - from the rioters to the FBI coup enablers. I’m also a realist and know that things could go sideways, and I’m not going to live in fear of the govt or on my knees.
 
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GM-GUY said:
JFC what the hell happened to this thread?

We were talking about someone defending themselves and having law ‘enforcement’ come down on him like a ton of bricks. meanwhile Burn, Loot & Murder with basement dwellers Antifa have been committing all manner of crime with no reaction.

Let’s make this simple, whether Civil War II starts or not is beyond my control. I will not tolerate election fraud, constitutional violations or anything else against the founding. Does that mean I start shooting on Jan 21st? Of course not - it means I ignore them. ‘Shall not Comply’ ring any bells? Does that mean I’m rolling to DC loaded for bear? Of course not. It does mean that persons directing/conducting raids are fair game and the best time and place to hit them is not when they are stacked at my front door. It’s at the drive thru of Dunkins or the gas pumps or at the stop sign.
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9mm, one presumes?

www.northeastshooters.com

Its 2AM and there is a bear outside

I have a pistol beside the bed but all of my rifles are locked in the safe downstairs. Wife tells me not to go outside as she saw something real big. I go out and put 6 rounds into it and then go back inside and down to the safe to get out my Hk rifle. HK rifle is setup to shoot 22...
www.northeastshooters.com www.northeastshooters.com
 
namedpipes said:
9mm, one presumes?

www.northeastshooters.com

Its 2AM and there is a bear outside

I have a pistol beside the bed but all of my rifles are locked in the safe downstairs. Wife tells me not to go outside as she saw something real big. I go out and put 6 rounds into it and then go back inside and down to the safe to get out my Hk rifle. HK rifle is setup to shoot 22...
www.northeastshooters.com www.northeastshooters.com
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If I was going after bear / my 300 Weatherby Mag all the way.
 
"As Kenosha detectives made their way to the station, an Antioch officer watched Rittenhouse and noted the teen cycled through a range of emotions, from crying fits to periods of calm to throwing up."
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Ya, it's called being scared. The whole world is watching him and analyzing what he did, but he just a 17 year old kid who got in way over his head. Anyone would be worried about what's going to happen, now imagine you haven't lived a life and learned how to deal with stuff, that's where he is.
 
When Rittenhouse's defense fund hit $1,000,000, the judge in Wisconsin raised his bond to $2 million

KBCraig said:
Because Wisconsin requires full cash bail, not bond.
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I've only seen one article get this right -- Wisconsin doesn't allow "commercial bail" (forbids bail bondsmen to operate as a business).

This doesn't necessarily mean every defendant needs need to pay the full cash bond, the court may accept a 10% "surety bond", and unlike paying a bail bondsman, nearly the entire amount is returned after the defendant appears as agreed. This particular judge, being unsympathetic to Kyle (to put it mildly) could insist on a deposit of cash in lieu of sureties, and require deposit of the full $2MM, but otherwise Kyle could be released by putting up just $200K along with a "surety" (proof of the rest of the two million).
 
alan226 said:
Why isn't he out on bail? The attorney has plenty of contributions at this point...
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Robert Barnes (also see post above) goes into an excellent breakthrough of this above. The bottom line is this kid is being poorly represented, but the initial lawyer who handled the case messed up. The big prestigious lawyers handling the case now are screwing up even more. When it comes down to the courtroom these lawyers better have an iron clad defense and be ready to poke holes in the prosecution or this kid is doomed and self defense will take a serious blow.
 

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