you should go to school districts meetings more often.America hating pink haired communist pussies
actual parents with kids in the system cannot tell that to them, as you never insult the warden while in jail.
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you should go to school districts meetings more often.America hating pink haired communist pussies
Not if they require it of all parents, even if they do not own guns.Pure feel-good virtue signaling.
If such a letter were to be created and sent home for signature one might consider that not signing and returning is likely to be considered de facto evidence of gun ownership. I would question whether school committees or departments have the legal authority to issue such requests with penalty of perjury <wink> <wink>
I saw that - it was f’in unbelievable. I’ll give that woman the benefit of the doubt and assume she has a borderline IQ.This is only a week after one other district was trying to raise funds for an illegal student who needed to pay off a coyote.
I’d get locked up. Don’t have the temperament for it anymore. When my youngest was like 7-8, he was being bullied ruthlessly, cried that he didn’t want to go back to school, the kids bullying him (mostly one very large girl) would always put stuff in his lunch so he couldn’t eat it, dump his tray on the floor etc that kind of BS and it was getting worse.you should go to school districts meetings more often.
actual parents with kids in the system cannot tell that to them, as you never insult the warden while in jail.
Okay…trigger warning…unpopular opinion to follow. I strongly dislike public school attitudes and practices as much as anyone else here…and they should absolutely stay in their lane and away from ANY political activism (which this is)…that said (as someone who grew up in a responsible house with loaded, unlocked guns and never had an issue) and as a parent myself…guns should be locked up if there are kids or teenagers in the house. We don’t do ourselves any favors as a 2A community when we fight the stupidity but also fail to acknowledge the reasonableness of that as a general matter. We lose credibility.
This is a personal decision as every house is going to be different. No outside agency should be telling us as parents how to conduct family business in your home. Ever. Short of abuse it’s no one’s business.Okay…trigger warning…unpopular opinion to follow. I strongly dislike public school attitudes and practices as much as anyone else here…and they should absolutely stay in their lane and away from ANY political activism (which this is)…that said (as someone who grew up in a responsible house with loaded, unlocked guns and never had an issue) and as a parent myself…guns should be locked up if there are kids or teenagers in the house. We don’t do ourselves any favors as a 2A community when we fight the stupidity but also fail to acknowledge the reasonableness of that as a general matter. We lose credibility.
They already have that. I saw a town employee in MA show off the functions of the GIS system in the town. There was a little filter she clicked and all these little icons popped up over a bunch of houses showing households with firearms permits. The push now is to treat ”gun violence“ as a health issue, so I assume the head of the board of health in every city and town has access to the list of every firearms license household in the town. The woman heading up the BOH in my town wants to put mask mandates back in place, not that she has to, everyday before and after school I see kids walking home alone outside with masks on. I see parents driving their kids to school wearing masks in their cars. I wonder if these people hump with masks on.The "meet to discuss/act on creating a registry of kids whose parents have guns in their homes" part is the most concerning piece of this.
They already have that. I saw a town employee in MA show off the functions of the GIS system in the town. There was a little filter she clicked and all these little icons popped up over a bunch of houses showing households with firearms permits. The push now is to treat ”gun violence“ as a health issue, so I assume the head of the board of health in every city and town has access to the list of every firearms license household in the town. The woman heading up the BOH in my town wants to put mask mandates back in place, not that she has to, everyday before and after school I see kids walking home alone outside with masks on. I see parents driving their kids to school wearing masks in their cars. I wonder if these people hump with masks on.
I don’t know how the towns filter it out or lock employees out, if at all. I just know that the GIS system is much more than just a tax assessor system. The individual I saw giving the demo was a town engineer at the time, and she wasn’t LEO. She was pointing out how useful the system is to assist police when making calls to residences to determine if there are firearms present. I would assume the police in MA would know that since they issue the licenses, anyway, but, their records apparently go into the GIS database for the town because she clicked one button and highlighted every house with a firearms license.So town employees (not LEO) have access to this info in MA??
I agree with you. Except locking up guns around kids is actual legitimate common sense and denying that by failing to acknowledge it makes you seem unreasonable and therefore encourages undecided people over to the other side of the argument…now…locking guns up around kids is one thing…making it a criminal offense not to is quite another…the latter is a much better battle to fight. (Personally, I think it would be reasonable for the storage issue to be treated like a speeding ticket - a couple tickets, no bad incidents, not really a big deal. Get in an accident going 100 on a cul de sac and kill little Suzie on her trike - big problem. In other words, no real danger, pay a small fine and that’s it. Leave a gun on an elementary school playground and a kid gets killed, you’re in trouble).We lose more credibility when we allow ourselves to be slow boiled like frogs.
With the Left it's always about incrementalism and "common sense" this and that.
Once the parents sign this, the next thing will be "voluntary" visits by the police to make sure every thing is safely secured. Out of an "Abundance of Caution" no doubt.
About 10 years ago when the open carry movement started in Texas, a lot of people said that the radicals (carrying rifles or black powder pistols) were being unreasonable and would hurt the cause. Yet, they ended up winning that battle.
The Left figured out years ago that being "unreasonable" long enough would eventually work.
If I were you, I would be talking to GOAL/Comm2A about this. They're already working on the state for the public disclosure; this is far worse.I don’t know how the towns filter it out or lock employees out, if at all. I just know that the GIS system is much more than just a tax assessor system. The individual I saw giving the demo was a town engineer at the time, and she wasn’t LEO. She was pointing out how useful the system is to assist police when making calls to residences to determine if there are firearms present. I would assume the police in MA would know that since they issue the licenses, anyway, but, their records apparently go into the GIS database for the town because she clicked one button and highlighted every house with a firearms license.
I agree. That’s really disturbing. That’s means a freakin’ high school intern in some admin office could just look it up.If I were you, I would be talking to GOAL/Comm2A about this. They're already working on the state for the public disclosure; this is far worse.
I agree with you. Except locking up guns around kids is actual legitimate common sense [...]
I just think the battle about secure storage generally is one we’re destined to lose by taking a hard line. Which will result in regulation that’s extremely hard in the opposite direction - like in Mass. On this narrow issue, I think it’s wiser to compromise. As I added to my post a few minutes after I originally posted it, I think it should be treated like speeding in a car.
We can literally insert every counter example from his post. They're all equally valid. When are they no longer kids? 12? 18? 26? How do we define "around?" Only when they're in the building? As long as they live there? As long as they might visit?
What is right for you in your home is for you to decide. Locking up firearms is smart for any number of reasons. But demanding folks do so, under the guise of "common sense, for the children" is inappropriate.
We already have a compromise.I just think the battle about secure storage generally is one we’re destined to lose by taking a hard line. Which will result in regulation that’s extremely hard in the opposite direction - like in Mass. On this narrow issue, I think it’s wiser to compromise. As I added to my post a few minutes after I originally posted it, I think it should be treated like speeding in a car.
because it is the most eficient way of control.Why do you propose to punish people for actions that have caused no harm
I teach in them, occasionally, around the state. So, yes.have you been to a modern school lately
Honestly? My schools in the 90s, that were built in the 60s were way more "institutional" than the ones I go to that were built since I got out.- a more or less recent middle or a high school? it is even designed as a jail inside, corridors, movements, everything.
There were no storage laws where I grew up. My family was responsible and there was never even close to an issue in my home. But, I had several very scary incidents as a kid at friend's houses where my friends acted irresponsibly with their parent's guns. Nothing bad ever happened; but on more than a few occasions that was probably due to my own intervention in the situation - having been taught properly. The parents would have been furious had they found out. I'm sure they tried to teach the kids something. Nevertheless, kids will do dumb things. As I said, I think it's like speeding in a car. 9 times out of 10, nothing bad happens. Occasionally, something really bad happens. Does anyone really think we should abolish all speed limits and not let cops give out speeding tickets? Now, I'm not saying revoke FIDs/LTCs, make people criminals, etc.We already have a compromise.
When we teach safety classes, we talk about the importance of individuals taking responsibility for their gear, and storing it appropriately. When we discuss our protocols in person and on fora like this one, we say the same things. As a community, we seek to teach people the importance of self-regulation.
Additionally, the industry is full of companies delivering new and improved storage solutions - ones designed to decrease the friction associated with safely storing a firearm ready for personal use. Those products are advertised and reviewed everywhere from industry rags to YouTube. In MA, we make them tax-free.
Why do you propose to punish people for actions that have caused no harm?
that's an awful lot of "what if" followed by nothing. Should the parents of those kids really be punished when nothing happened?There were no storage laws where I grew up. My family was responsible and there was never even close to an issue in my home. But, I had several very scary incidents as a kid at friend's houses where my friends acted irresponsibly with their parent's guns. Nothing bad ever happened; but on more than a few occasions that was probably due to my own intervention in the situation - having been taught properly. The parents would have been furious had they found out. I'm sure they tried to teach the kids something. Nevertheless, kids will do dumb things. As I said, I think it's like speeding in a car. 9 times out of 10, nothing bad happens. Occasionally, something really bad happens.
You're asking this on the wrong forum. I'll give you the one word answer: yes.Does anyone really think we should abolish all speed limits and not let cops give out speeding tickets?
16" SBRs on the NFA, but no handguns.Where exactly has "compromise" ever gotten us?
The NFA should be repealed. It's silly, irrational and never should have been passed. I'm with you there. But, in MA, we are clearly only a generation or so away from being Canada and, my point is, all of us are, in a sense, a $3 suitcase lock away from a 10 year felony for exercising a Constitutional right. That's the tyranny that exists right now and all our efforts have made zero progress at changing it for more than 20 years. Maybe its time for a new strategy - fight incrementalism cloaked in "common sense" with the same of our own, except using actual common sense. But, we may have to agree to disagree.16" SBRs on the NFA, but no handguns.
Except there have been improvements in the last 10. We got rid of LTC-Bs. We got rid of adult licensing for defensive sprays. We can have electronic defense weapons.The NFA should be repealed. It's silly, irrational and never should have been passed. I'm with you there. But, in MA, we are clearly only a generation or so away from being Canada and, my point is, all of us are, in a sense, a $3 suitcase lock away from a 10 year felony for exercising a Constitutional right. That's the tyranny that exists right now and all our efforts have made zero progress at changing it for more than 20 years. Maybe its time for a new strategy - fight incrementalism cloaked in "common sense" with the same of our own, except using actual common sense. But, we may have to agree to disagree.