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2023 MA Gun Ban: House has engrossed H.4139, waiting on Senate
- Thread starter GOAL
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Seems like having the union carve out an exemption for someone who's not an acting officer is a stretch of the union.
Grendizer138
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Bombarding legislators and inundating them with phone calls and (concise) letters can and does work.
Appealing to your D rep’s sensibilities and rallys do not…
I made sure to include a paragraph in Mariano's email that reminded him of what he'd said when he pulled 4420, pointing out that 4607 is just as unconstitutional and will be overturned just as inevitably.
Grendizer138
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They don’t care about your rights, but they do care about the optics of losing in court, and the potential legal cost.
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I think stressing the inevitable legal costs and the optics of getting slapped down in court have the best chance of being persuasive (and can be made from a seemingly leftist/supportive perspective).
GM-GUY
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If you’re still worried about complying with something less bad, you’ve already lost.
This is not a ‘just because’ bill, there’s a reason. It’s a lot harder to ‘decline’ having illegals placed in your home with a revolver & shotgun than a decent rifle.
This is not a ‘just because’ bill, there’s a reason. It’s a lot harder to ‘decline’ having illegals placed in your home with a revolver & shotgun than a decent rifle.
Chevy 2 65
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He has NO clue what that is. NONE ! what a fake
. He is one of the leading advocates of civil rights and civil liberties issues
What exactly is a “leading advocate” of civil rights? What does that even mean? Given his track record, I assume that means he’s been to more trans-rights events than veteran memorial events.
fshalor
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People who make bills like this should be CHARGED TIME to analyze.
VTski4x4
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People who make bills that are blatantly unconstitutional should hang.
fshalor
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When was the last time a person who shot a cop with a gun had followed gun control laws? Just asking. For a dead friend. For reasons.
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Mental gymnastics to ban and Uber-ban a whole litany of firearms and such. . . only to have said ban banhammahr'd by the SC. The general stupidity is just shocking. Maybe they could go back to 1954 and stick in that blacks can't own any guns at all. Same shittin people. Same shittin attitudes. Different day.
fshalor
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The project manager subroutine ticked in. Agreed. But I ask you back. When was the last time a lawmaker unmade a law? Isn't that the real problem?
The founders did a pretty good job in their lives of making a law generation engine. However since there is no requirement to remove before create new, we have a situation or confounding addition.
CrackPot
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FFLs will not be able to sell LEOs LEO only stuff under the new bill. The new bill only exempts LEOs and Federally Licenses Manufacturers for sale out of state.
The exemption used to be for MA licensed dealers. Now since it is only for manufacturers for out of state, there is no way for LEOs to get their mags or full featured ARs, etc
Also since the new bill makes ALL guns subject to the roster, no long gun sales will be occurring anyway.
Grendizer138
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If that’s the case we shouuuld be able to get PDs to come out in opposition even more than 4420.
CrackPot
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It requires understanding this subtlety. There are a lot of indirect consequences in this bill caused by the changes in definitions and not understanding how the current laws actually work.
Line 1654 of the bill says federally licensed manufacturers solely for sale or transfer in another state or for export
This means no one can lawfully possess in MA to sell to LEO in MA. Maybe they will notice.
Palladin
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Assault-style firearm”, any firearm which is:
(a) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle with the capacity to accept a detachable feeding device and includes any of the following features: (i) a folding or telescopic stock; (ii) a thumbhole stock or pistol grip; (iii) a forward grip or second handgrip or protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (iv) a threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor or muzzle break or similar feature; or (v) a shroud that encircles either all or part of the barrel designed to shield the bearer’s hand from heat, excluding a slide that encloses the barrel.
that's just about everything folks!
(a) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle with the capacity to accept a detachable feeding device and includes any of the following features: (i) a folding or telescopic stock; (ii) a thumbhole stock or pistol grip; (iii) a forward grip or second handgrip or protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (iv) a threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor or muzzle break or similar feature; or (v) a shroud that encircles either all or part of the barrel designed to shield the bearer’s hand from heat, excluding a slide that encloses the barrel.
that's just about everything folks!
CrackPot
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Some other disturbing things
True pre-ban mags are still lawful to possess (though not to import into the state, sell, etc). BUT only lawful on private property or at a range. You CANNOT carry your glock with a preban 15rd mag.
Because MA Dealers are no longer exempt, we cannot sell to LEO, we cannot have and sell regular guns/mags out of state.
MA Dealers will not track your gun purchases AND your magazine and ammo purchases. I suspect an updated FA10. It requires a log book and YOUR SIGNATURE next to all purchases. Today this is done by printing and having you sign your FA10
Frames and Receivers are the same as the gun they are built into. So subject to the roster and subject to being an assault-style firearm. So essentially no more sales of frames or receivers.
Dealers must register all firearms within 7 days of receiving them. This adds a HUGE burden on dealers (big surprise). It also allows them to make sure you do not have any off roster guns or assault-style weapons. So forget being an online retailer from MA. This is toast.
Having an unregistered firearm now will be a crime 1K, 7K + 6 months, 10K + 5 yrs for 1st, 2nd and 3rd offense. Even the first offense is grounds for suspension or permanent revocation of your license. The third offense is a federal lifetime disqualifier.
True pre-ban mags are still lawful to possess (though not to import into the state, sell, etc). BUT only lawful on private property or at a range. You CANNOT carry your glock with a preban 15rd mag.
Because MA Dealers are no longer exempt, we cannot sell to LEO, we cannot have and sell regular guns/mags out of state.
MA Dealers will not track your gun purchases AND your magazine and ammo purchases. I suspect an updated FA10. It requires a log book and YOUR SIGNATURE next to all purchases. Today this is done by printing and having you sign your FA10
Frames and Receivers are the same as the gun they are built into. So subject to the roster and subject to being an assault-style firearm. So essentially no more sales of frames or receivers.
Dealers must register all firearms within 7 days of receiving them. This adds a HUGE burden on dealers (big surprise). It also allows them to make sure you do not have any off roster guns or assault-style weapons. So forget being an online retailer from MA. This is toast.
Having an unregistered firearm now will be a crime 1K, 7K + 6 months, 10K + 5 yrs for 1st, 2nd and 3rd offense. Even the first offense is grounds for suspension or permanent revocation of your license. The third offense is a federal lifetime disqualifier.
CrackPot
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Yes. The AWB definition is worse than any other state as currently written. All commonly used semi-auto rifles become illegal.
Palladin
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“Secured in a locked container”, at a minimum the container must be capable of being unlocked only by means of a key, combination or similar means, including in an unoccupied motor vehicle, a locked trunk not accessible from the passenger compartment, a locked console or locked glovebox.
defined that you CAN use a glovebox
defined that you CAN use a glovebox
APFSDS
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It looks like they watered down the "only carry in places with posted signage saying you can" provision. Basically all gov't owned property is verboten. It does say it is a defense to have the firearm locked in your vehicle/unloaded etc.
(iv) any private, residential dwelling of another, not held open to the public, unless the
2338 person in possession of the firearm (A) has a valid firearms license or permit issued under
2339 section 124 to 125B, inclusive, of chapter 140 and (B) has been given express authorization to
2340 carry a firearm in said dwelling by the property owner or lessee, or an agent thereof; provided,
2341 that express authorization shall be signified by unambiguous written or verbal authorization or
2342 by the posting of clear and conspicuous signage on the building or the premises by the property
2343 owner or lessee, or an agent thereof, indicating that possession of a firearm is authorized.
(iv) any private, residential dwelling of another, not held open to the public, unless the
2338 person in possession of the firearm (A) has a valid firearms license or permit issued under
2339 section 124 to 125B, inclusive, of chapter 140 and (B) has been given express authorization to
2340 carry a firearm in said dwelling by the property owner or lessee, or an agent thereof; provided,
2341 that express authorization shall be signified by unambiguous written or verbal authorization or
2342 by the posting of clear and conspicuous signage on the building or the premises by the property
2343 owner or lessee, or an agent thereof, indicating that possession of a firearm is authorized.
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