Wonder if they would have gotten a better response if he yelled "We're coming in there to shoot you in the balls and then skin you alive "?
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21 killed, 18 injured in shooting at elementary school in Uvalde, Texas
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Wonder if they would have gotten a better response if he yelled "We're coming in there to shoot you in the balls and then skin you alive "?
I can't help but think of what would happen if someone tried to get between me and my dying wife.
Wouldn't matter if it was a co-worker , a life long friend or even my own brother.
Think about it.
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That's almost an infantry battalion.
He had the time and opportunity to act, and he didn’t.
All it should have took was one guy out of the dozen who had responded I think within 3 minutes of the shooter entering to step up tap a couple guys and say “on me”, and head down the hallway. Sadly, not even the guy who knew his wife was in imminent danger had the balls to do that.
Uvalde police chief captured on body cam trying to negotiate with gunman during massacre
“Let me know if there’s any kids in there or anything,” Arredondo said. “Can you tell me your name? Anything that can help, please?” Ramos did not respond.
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Uvalde SWAT member wanted to breach classroom door but was told to stand down
Bodycam footage reveals the Uvalde gunman shot at SWAT member Eduardo Canales but that he still wanted to breach the door, only to be told “no.”
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The GoPe quislings led by the turtle couldn't have picked a dumpster fire to justify taking a giant flying shit on the GoP base.
J-F-C, it keeps getting worse with every new revelation. What's next, the FBI admitting the punk was directly in contact with an agent as a CI and taxpayers bought the guns?
if a battalion got an imbecile for a commander a 3 man mortar crew can wipe it out in 10 minutes.
look at samples from ukraine - it is all real. same in uvalde.
Uvalde police chief captured on body cam trying to negotiate with gunman during massacre
“Let me know if there’s any kids in there or anything,” Arredondo said. “Can you tell me your name? Anything that can help, please?” Ramos did not respond.Uvalde SWAT member wanted to breach classroom door but was told to stand down
Bodycam footage reveals the Uvalde gunman shot at SWAT member Eduardo Canales but that he still wanted to breach the door, only to be told “no.”
The GoPe quislings led by the turtle couldn't have picked a dumpster fire to justify taking a giant flying shit on the GoP base.
J-F-C, it keeps getting worse with every new revelation. What's next, the FBI admitting the punk was directly in contact with an agent as a CI and taxpayers bought the guns?
If you're one of those 2 officers how do you not make it your mission in life to take out the other 394 idiots on scene who prevented you from doing everything in your power to save your family member...
That's probably something the shooter heard and said often playing games online.
That's just unfathomable to me.
If you won't kill or die for family above all else , you're nothing.
Tartakovsky
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I think the point is here that the Supreme Court has ruled MULTIPLE times ( at least the way I understand it) - that the police are actually under no legal obligation from preventing you from being murdered. In other words - you can't sue their asses for doing nothing. I do remember reading this many years ago as it would get brought up by the pro-gun side in response to all the leftie douchebags claiming that nobody needs a gun because "the police are here to protect you".
If that's what the law says - well then I don't see how there's any exceptions to the rule. I can't cite the specific laws or SC cases or anything like that, but I do know that it's been discussed here on NES multiple times over the years and I've seen it cited by pro-gun organizations like GOA and JPFO and so forth. Go look it up - I'm sure you'll be able to track it down.
You see this is why I bring up the militia. Because if Uvelde had an ACTUAL trained CIVILIAN militia - well then there probably would have been multiple people who would have shown up ARMED and WILLING to go into the building. We already know for a fact that there were MULTIPLE parents who showed up UN-ARMED - and were willing to go into the building anyway.
My premise is that the entire way that so-called law enforcement operates in this country - if you make the assumption that they are there to protect you - is completely and totally phucked up. If you make the assumption that law enforcement is there to be the government's enforcer - well then it makes a lot more sense.
Uvelde isn't the first time that we've seen it right in our faces that the police won't do shit to protect you or your property. In a lot of cases they didn't do crap about the BLM riots, they didn't do shit at Uvelde -there's those SC cases I referred to - and there's plenty of other incidents over the years as well.
SWAT is fully willing to come in and invade your house and shoot your dog - if you start speaking out against the government though - aren't they?
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The thing is, federal generally allows locals to lead. Legal issues aside, if what you are told is the situation is under control, you don't just take the reins and roll into a situation. This was such a goatf*** that I could see it taking time for people to figure out what a goatf*** it was and deciding it was time to take the football away from the monkey. Think about it, at least from my perspective, you'd think everything that has been blasted in the thread would have happened, you are now perimeter and in 'get aid into the school mode'. Some time later, you find out it's not a cold zone yet and it's still hot, when it shouldn't be. I guess I need to sit through the video again and note when secondary people show up, I'd like to hear what they say to the responding agents/officers. You guys have no idea how hard that video is for me to watch, there's a real possibility if I didn't retire, I could have been detailed there.
There won't be body cam of the assault, my hunch anyway. The Patrol doesn't wear body cams. Every one they've tried to deploy can't take the abuse, and they've tried pretty much every brand on the market. That's not a urban police job, it's out in the field, think putting cameras on every infantryman in the Army, in a combat zone. Maybe someone had a test camera on, I could very well be wrong, I've been gone almost a year at this point.
Why? Were any of those kids who died African American? Then probably not. Plus I bet none of them were turning their lives around. So that's going against them getting any "justice" as well.
What those kids and their parents are going to get is more accurately called "Just Ass"
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Think about what it would take mentality wise - to decide to go back into that room after just having been shot at. First off - if all the other guys around you are like "I'm not going in there" - you're gonna have to have enough intestinal fortitude to say "phuck you guys" and go off and do it yourself. Then apparently they're getting told somebody else is coming in to do it - so you back off thinking that SWAT has it or whatever - and they're better equipped so you wait . Problem is they don't show up - now you've been waiting - and you've put yourself mentally into "wait mode". When they don't show up after 1 minute, or two minutes or 5 - you've got to have that little man in your head BEATING on you saying "get your phucking asss in that room NOW".
I don't think a lot of people have that sense of time urgency. Even in the military - you don't find that very commonly - unless you're talking about special forces operators or troops have lived thru actual hard combat and seen people die because somebody hesitated. It also takes a person who has a large dose of phuck you guys circulating in their system. Do you think the average cop has that? I don't think so. Most of them are picked for their ability to follow orders and go along. I don't think hard core rebels last very long in the employ of law enforcement agencies.
I don't see that time urgency much in my own personal interactions with people. I have it most of the time, but that comes from having it drummed into my head at an early age, and after multiple life experiences where if I didn't do something like NOW - a really bad thing would have happened. And trying to get other people to get off their ass and move because you see a car headed your way that's about to jump the sidewalk and mow everybody down ....... good luck with that , about 60% of people in my experience would just respond with "wait - I need to respond to this text" before they even looked up.
The problem with a lot of conspiracy theorist types is that they see a phuck up like Uvelde and believe that ALL of it was planned out.
The thing is - if you really look at history and the intimate details of how events unfold, it doesn't take a full spectrum plan to make things go sideways - sometimes they just do because getting a lot of people involved in something brings up multiple opportunities for screwing things up.
Was the shooter "groomed" thru FBI handlers and somehow fed money to buy weapons and or fed weapons directly - as well as being manipulated on internet forums to get it into his head he needed to go shoot up a school? Yeah - I'm perfectly willing to believe that may have happened, because at this point there's been WAY too many incidents like this where it was later found out that the FBI was intimately involved with the shooter in some form or fashion - and we've also got all the recent BLM and Antifah and Proud Boy and other shit - where it's plain that FBI is manipulating people and events. So yeah - I do believe that is possible.
But I also believe that it's perfectly plausible that the law enforcement response was all screwed up - entirely by them. Ok maybe there's some higher up type who was in there telling people to hold back , but all it would have taken to short circuit that was to have ONE officer willing to say phuck it and go in on his own initiative and ignore whatever orders were being thrown around by whoever the hell it was that was "in charge".
SteelShooter
NES Member
Normalcy bias. There are stories about people in the WTC on 9-11 that after the plane crashed into the building and they were running to go down the stairs, forgot they didn't turn off their computer, or left something on their desk and went back to do something silly thinking nothing really bad was happening.
Yeah - exactly. In my experience not a lot of people have that little guy in their head that says " get the phuck out of the building - no matter what it takes".
You have some people who just plain panic and will run over everybody in their way to get out of a situation like that. But that's not the same thing as conciously recognizing how effed a situation is and going into emergency mode or whatever you want to call it - and dealing with the situation like a life threatening event.
Panic is just an automated fear response - I've seen people do that, they lose all control of themselves and can't be dealt with rationally until they calm down.
KBCraig
NES Member
Think about that number for a moment: 376 officers from local, state, and federal agencies arrived within that initial hour.
This is a city of 15,000; seat of a county of 25,000, where the population density is 16 people per square mile.
I live in Coös County, the lowest population and least densely populated county in New Hampshire. Our population density is 17.4 per square mile, and Uvalde County is less populated than our Great North Woods.
When you have 376 police officers show up in that county within an hour, you have too many police--whether they did anything effective or not.
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There were more than just Bortac in the hall, plenty of cops whose mics could pic up audio.
I would really like to know what genius decided to have a student or students yell for help upon request after they had been hiding for an hour and what they were thinking.
Then again, with the sheer level of fail every cop displayed in that school it shouldn't surprise me.
Mesatchornug
NES Member
It reminds me of Watertown. How many police showed up in their own that day?
SpaceCritter
NES Member
...and in a couple of years, when it becomes clear it's the Politburo running things and elections are totally meaningless, the response from them will be, "Yeah, so?"
VetteGirlMA
NES Member
So it begs the question then. What is law enforcement good for? Running around the neighborhood in tacticool gear tossing flashbangs at random and shooting every dog they see? I don't see the purpose that law enforcement brings to the table when a crime can occur right in front of a cop and the cop just stands there doing nothing. Let's just replace cops with citizen militias that can do the same thing, protect their cities and towns.
It's funny shit mang...
FormerlyIndifferent
NES Member
VetteGirlMA
NES Member
It's the low hanging fruit condition. What's easier arrest a 110 pound woman or fight it out with some bulky dude who will stomp the cop into the dirt. That fatty didn't look like he was going to be winning any 100 yard dashes even if he had explosive diarrhea and running to the nearest bathroom. By the way that kind of covid crap is what turned me into a cop hater. It went from respect and right past the 'meh' phase when I saw things like that. Bust up someones life to make some finger pointing Karen happy.
slugworth
NES Member
If they only had that much courage to go after a active shooter…
Yup. They have no obligation. SOP for Active shooters are supposedly different but Uvalde proved its not.
So there is video and audio where you can actually hear kids screaming? Send the link if you would.
If you're wondering why I don't trust the media down there, this is the same general area where the 'whipping' incident took place. No one was whipped, it was all made up to sell clicks. Guys are getting suspended for calling someone a bad name when they hid behind a woman to avoid apprehension.
I'm not convinced there wasn't a colossal screwup, but Jesus, some of you guys are so quick to jump on the MSM bandwagon when the narrative is something you 'want' to hear.
I'm not convinced there wasn't a colossal screwup, but Jesus, some of you guys are so quick to jump on the MSM bandwagon when the narrative is something you 'want' to hear.
GM-GUY
NES Member
I told my daughter again, in the highly unlikely event there is a shooting at her school; the cops aren’t coming to save her GET OUT. Bust out a window, exit door, whatever. It will take me 10 minutes to get to her school from when I find out about it - so she is going to need to save herself for the first 20-30 minutes.
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