Well, he got the other kids out as well.I never thought that he was, and didn't understand how people got it conflated.
He rushed there and got his kid out. It was a different BP agent who was part of the entry team.
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Well, he got the other kids out as well.I never thought that he was, and didn't understand how people got it conflated.
He rushed there and got his kid out. It was a different BP agent who was part of the entry team.
Well, he got the other kids out as well.
You're not the only one .That's what I remember, but man, as I get older, I tend to forget....what was I saying?
Well, some.
I think he guided about 20 kids out? There are over 500 kids enrolled there, apparently.
Barber Shotgun Guy was never alleged to be Trigger Puller Guy in any of the reporting I read.
Well, it’d be a lot cooler if he did!No, just some quick-take bloggers and forum commenters started that claim.
The only real way to stop props is to have a two door system where only one opens at a timeAgain, I don't work in schools but deal with commercial entry doors all the time. They can be over come by a 5 year old. A stone 3/4" in diameter placed on the threshold on the latch side of the frame will stop it from latching. A napkin balled up and stuffed in the latch will do the same. Unless you have someone stationed at each door, they're easily defeated. Alarms on timers help. Doors open for longer than 30 seconds or whatever and it sounds until it's closed or disabled. Consequences for people who prop them open would help as well.
TBH, my first instinct was they changed the story to save the teacher. No one wants to live with the fact that all those kids died because you propped a door open rather than grabbing your keys or walking around to another door.
Conversely , what happens when you ignore it and one actually follows through ?How many 10 year olds have said they were going to shoot someone for the one 10 year old who actually did in your anecdote? Tens or hundreds of thousands? Millions? I know my boys (all under 8) have said it. I'm sure I said it as a kid.
The only point is that context matters. Arresting kids for saying stupid shit isn't a solution any more than suspending them for chewing a pop tart into the shape of a pistol is.
I'm not familiar with such a system. I imagine that it works from outside in only? Otherwise propping one door open effectively locks people insideThe only real way to stop props is to have a two door system where only one opens at a time
Conversely , what happens when you ignore it and one actually follows through ?
Same people screaming for heads now screaming for heads then.
F*cked if you do and f*cked if you don't.
You can't equate kids now to kids years ago . the ones raised feral retain only the physical form of the others.
Want to see a chilling video if it can still be found , watch the one where the two thirteen year olds bragging on social media about killing a woman pushing a baby stroller because she wouldn't give them a cigarette while waving the murder weapon and laughing about how they capped that bitch.
I promise someone out there was crying over those poor little boys be lead away in cuffs.
Well, it’d be a lot cooler if he did!
Ladies and gentlemen,
The man whose actions helped assure the slaughter of 19 young children:
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At times like these it’s important to remember, as horrific as 19 dead children are, they do not compare to the 130,000,000 innocent men, women and children slaughtered by their own governments in the last century after letting themselves be disarmed.
I'm officially past the point of being able to follow this story. I don't get how it's newsworthy otherwise. Unless he lead a team in to grab the kids down the hall? I guess I need to just stop following this one until it all comes out.I never thought that he was, and didn't understand how people got it conflated.
He rushed there and got his kid out. It was a different BP agent who was part of the entry team.
Schools will always be a soft target. Period.I'm not familiar with such a system. I imagine that it works from outside in only? Otherwise propping one door open effectively locks people inside
So, 2 armed and trained guards at each door will still be a soft target? I agree that transitional spaces will always be hard to protect, entering and leaving in large groups as an example, but, locking down the school and have people willing to protect it will not be a soft target.Schools will always be a soft target. Period.
The school my kids went to had cypher locks on the doors (I think that's the right term). Every person on the campus knew the code. It's logistically impossible to 'lock' a school down, there's too many organic moving parts. Maybe if the school is completely self contained, even then there's lunch/recess where kids are outside in the open.
Not really replying to you, just following this train in the thread since I'm pretty much done with the tactics side of it. Can't follow that level of abortion any longer.
I live in a very small town and we have 3 schools located in different locations. I don’t see any reason why we couldn’t make a large building and keep all the children there but separate by ages like we do now.So, 2 armed and trained guards at each door will still be a soft target? I agree that transitional spaces will always be hard to protect, entering and leaving in large groups as an example, but, locking down the school and have people willing to protect it will not be a soft target.
Where in the constitution does it say I need a psyche eval for anything?Your logic doesn’t add up at all here. Actually enforcing laws and enacting tighter control and psyche evals for everyone who wants to buy a gun will ONLY help. The problem is both the type of gun used and the mentality of the person committing the crime. It’s not black and white. We need a full scale approach to gun crime prevention.
Ladies and gentlemen,
The man whose actions helped assure the slaughter of 19 young children:
View: https://twitter.com/dancow/status/1532027754681618434?s=21&t=LGeoW5KiT1d_HwzMAT6HyQ
probably the biggest problem in this country is no one actually wants to look forward and solve problems but simply just blame the other party. Rs and Ds are just different ends of the same putrid turd.I won't disagree with the abuse part.
That could have been fixed had the will to do so been there.
Many of them were run by the same group that ended up shutting them down.
Politicians don't want a fix to anything , they want a sound bit .
There are a lot of very dangerous people wandering the streets because there is no place to put them.
They don't get locked up till they actually kill someone, even though everyone involved with them knows it's only a question of when not if.
Sending them back out on the street with a hand full of pills and a pat on the head ends up with dead people.
was gonna post a similar question but not in story form. It's a super dangerous slippery slope to allow medical/psych info to limit rights.....and then on the other hand does anyone here really think an advanced schizophrenic who is unable to distinguish reality from a dream should be able to buy a gun? I'm not a "living breathing document type" yet I don't think the founders were infallible. At the time they wrote the constitution they thought mentally ill people were witches or possessed by demons.911: “911, what is your emergency?”
Random guy: “hi, my buddy has been seeing a shrink and he is schizophrenic. He has been hearing voices telling him to shoot up the elementary school. I just saw him leave the house with a rifle in his hand and a duffel bag full of magazines.
I decided to follow him and he pulled into the school parking lot. He just got out of the car with a ballistic vest on, chambered a round in his rifle and walked through the front door of the school!”
911: “sir, your friend has done nothing illegal at this point, so there is nothing we can do. You DO realize that there are no more gun laws, commie?”
Sure that’s an extreme example, but it is the extreme cases that lead to mass shootings.
We certainly have way too many stupid gun laws, but there has to be some ground between the hypothetical situation I just typed and Maura’s mastubatory fantasies.
It all requires hard decisions. Do we have a need for paranoid schizophrenics on this Earth? Perhaps a future generation will nip that problem in the bud. The future is going to be full of tough decisions and the simple answer the government wants to hear is handing in the guns.was gonna post a similar question but not in story form. It's a super dangerous slippery slope to allow medical/psych info to limit rights.....and then on the other hand does anyone here really think an advanced schizophrenic who is unable to distinguish reality from a dream should be able to buy a gun? I'm not a "living breathing document type" yet I don't think the founders were infallible. At the time they wrote the constitution they thought mentally ill people were witches or possessed by demons.
A lot of people might say "price of freedom"....maybe. Maybe it's hard to answer until it's your kid getting lowered into the ground in a little super hero coffin. Any infringement is an infringement, but what do we do about the f***ing loonies?
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Well, my experience with SRO's is one or two good ones, the rest were either meh or straight up worthless. There was one armed guard at Parkland(?)(the Florida school), he hid. Not sure where the SRO actually was in this one yet. I think you are asking for rational thought from an irrational person when it comes to school shooters.So, 2 armed and trained guards at each door will still be a soft target? I agree that transitional spaces will always be hard to protect, entering and leaving in large groups as an example, but, locking down the school and have people willing to protect it will not be a soft target.
That guy is so jittery it’s clear he f***ed up that is an awful spokesman/public speakerThat motherf***er needs to signal the return to tar and feathering. Jesus would have walked up in that police station with a cat o'nine tails and whipped his sorry ass right out into the middle of the street.
If someone is dangerous, and we know it, we have a system that includes due process to remove them from society during that period. This is why the 4473 asks if you have "ever been adjudicated as a mental defective OR [...] been committed to a mental institution." That system needs improvement, but that should be the answer.was gonna post a similar question but not in story form. It's a super dangerous slippery slope to allow medical/psych info to limit rights.....and then on the other hand does anyone here really think an advanced schizophrenic who is unable to distinguish reality from a dream should be able to buy a gun? I'm not a "living breathing document type" yet I don't think the founders were infallible. At the time they wrote the constitution they thought mentally ill people were witches or possessed by demons.
A lot of people might say "price of freedom"....maybe. Maybe it's hard to answer until it's your kid getting lowered into the ground in a little super hero coffin. Any infringement is an infringement, but what do we do about the f***ing loonies?
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So, 2 armed and trained guards at each door will still be a soft target? I agree that transitional spaces will always be hard to protect, entering and leaving in large groups as an example, but, locking down the school and have people willing to protect it will not be a soft target.
While the psychologists say 5% of the mentally ill population are violent, they also say they have little idea who, of psychiatric in-patients diagnosed with mental illness, will commit violent acts - just a 12% correlation according to one large study. But that’s up to 12% from 5%.If someone is dangerous, and we know it, we have a system that includes due process to remove them from society during that period. This is why the 4473 asks if you have "ever been adjudicated as a mental defective OR [...] been committed to a mental institution." That system needs improvement, but that should be the answer.