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Witnessed a family member threaten to kill himself (actually) in front of the rest of the family. Nothing happened. Thank god he didn't do it... after that day, crickets.... I don't even want to hear "...but the system is _____". Why? We have no system....Mental health treatment in this country is a joke. People don't seek help because they don't want to be locked up.
I don't know how many of my peers from the Army have gotten a free and voluntold mandatory 72 hour vacation in the nuthouse because they told their councilor what was on their mind. I know one soldier who simply said "I want to kill that guy!" in every day tongue and cheek like plenty of people do. Poof, gone for 3 days. Job? Consider yourself shit canned. Dependants? Their on their own. If you refuse? The state will have a judge order you regardless and boom, you are now a federally prohibited person.
That's why adults specifically don't seek help. It's not about helping people. It's about either locking them up or medicating them out of society.
The entire system is a joke.
Momma honey badger who got her kids out with shooter still active after being handcuffed by cops speaks out
View: https://twitter.com/sxarletred/status/1532854073925455873?s=21&t=IftOzAiZWl4VF8UEpueBdw
There are those, and then there are:Everyone should spend a few minutes in a room with someone who is skin your face off and eat it crazy.
I'm talking about someone who would kill you in a heartbeat if given half a chance for no particular reason crazy.
Gives one a whole different perspective .
These people weren't hatched as adults , they were infants and grew to adulthood with signs throughout their whole lives that went mostly ignored by people who didn't want to see.
The one's who did the ignoring many times are the one's that end up as body parts in multiple trash bags.
I recall one who I knew personally who from the time we were in kindergarden everybody knew.
All through middle school , high school , everybody knew.
All the signs were there all his life , animal torture , sadistic tendencies .
Even at 10 -12 years old you knew never to turn your back on him.
His siblings knew and tried to get him locked up , court was having none of it.
He died in prison after getting life for splitting his mother's head with an hatchet.
Not a single person who knew him was surprised in the least.
You could kill more than that in 45 minutes with a sledgehammer.
Especially a bunch of 10 year old kids.
What are they going to do , bum rush you ?
You won't have to stop to reload either.
Put a few Bingo and Mahjong tables in the front lobby and let the ladies in before the first busses arrive. For the price of coffee, tea and biscuits you could have the best detective force in any city - those ladies will know everyone’s coming and goings and all the rumors.Is the money spent on this not important, too? You can't just blithely gloss over it: every "trained professional armed guard" means one less teacher, and from where I sit overcrowded classrooms are a much bigger problem in schools than shooters are. So you can't pretend the money doesn't matter.
The bigger problem? Ask anyone who's ever guarded, say, a motor pool in the military. You're there on the one in a million chance that someone might someday come in and mess with the vehicles, but you know in the back of your mind that that's never really going to happen. School shootings are exceptionally rare. I've guarded that motor pool; I've been in that situation. I've lost my mind with boredom, watching an access point where nothing's happened, nothing's happening, and nothing's going to happen. The problem is money, yes, but it's also vigilance.
I've said before in this thread that my school posts every year for jobs like that, and we never ever get any nibbles. Never. I'm not sure why NES thinks there's this massive reserve of ex-SEALs in every community looking to bravely guard the schools: they just don't exist.
Because - once again - they're NOT interested in curbing these atrocities. In fact, they want MORE.I’m kind-of serious - just having eyes on doors that don’t go crazy from boredom is a huge deterrent. The schools that don’t do that would be the softest targets. Of course, the Progressives & Liberals would think of all the reasons why any good idea that doesn’t ban guns should not be implemented.
Most truly mentally ill people don't realize, or won't accept, that they are mentally ill.Mental health treatment in this country is a joke. People don't seek help because they don't want to be locked up.
I don't know how many of my peers from the Army have gotten a free and voluntold mandatory 72 hour vacation in the nuthouse because they told their councilor what was on their mind. I know one soldier who simply said "I want to kill that guy!" in every day tongue and cheek like plenty of people do. Poof, gone for 3 days. Job? Consider yourself shit canned. Dependants? Their on their own. If you refuse? The state will have a judge order you regardless and boom, you are now a federally prohibited person.
That's why adults specifically don't seek help. It's not about helping people. It's about either locking them up or medicating them out of society.
The entire system is a joke.
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Mental health treatment in this country is a joke. People don't seek help because they don't want to be locked up.
I don't know how many of my peers from the Army have gotten a free and voluntold mandatory 72 hour vacation in the nuthouse because they told their councilor what was on their mind. I know one soldier who simply said "I want to kill that guy!" in every day tongue and cheek like plenty of people do. Poof, gone for 3 days. Job? Consider yourself shit canned. Dependants? Their on their own. If you refuse? The state will have a judge order you regardless and boom, you are now a federally prohibited person.
That's why adults specifically don't seek help. It's not about helping people. It's about either locking them up or medicating them out of society.
The entire system is a joke.
I can't disagree with almost any of this. The BP guys have a pretty stout union, not great, but getting fired is rough on management to get through. It has it's drawbacks, no doubt, but if something I read is true: They were being told to stand down AS they were breaching in progress, then having a union to back you is a good thing.From Gabe Suarez:
(this came thru in email) :
RELUCTANCE TO ENGAGE
I have been asked about the reluctance to engage by the troops in Uvalde. I confess to be astounded by the inaction of the "Non-Responders". I never remember such a thing ever happening when I was on the job.
Some have suggested that the officers were afraid to be second guessed by the administrators of the agency. But in that job you are ALWAYS second guessed, yet that didn’t stop any of us from doing what was necessary.
Sadly, the fear of second guessing has created a culture of inaction. The last Chief I worked under – in the previous century - was a black supremacist that would rather bury ten cops than see one of them shoot anyone. His words..."No officer will ever be disciplined for NOT shooting". That created a culture of sanctioned cowardice.
Today that sentiment is still alive in the profession. The LE training I have done...and I don't like doing LE training...has shown me that the % of meat eaters hasn't changed. But over half of the ranks are essentially worthless in a real fight. They may have great skills and be fit and graduate all the tactical schools...but the fear of repercussions has them in a place where all they are is window dressing. Don't expect any gallantry there. Then there are those capable and willing, but they have lost the ability for critical thinking and are in essence automatons who will go and do as they are told…but nothing else.
I hate to refer to the "old days", but that is where my perspective comes from. Shit went down and you handled it. Your world view was that you were there to deploy on the bad guys.
My first OIS was what would today be called an Active Shooter. No mutual aid or anything of the sort. Two cars working graveyard...one in pursuit of a carjacking into South Central. My partner and I get the call...we go there...we locate the bad guy...sneak up to him...and end the movie for him. Done and done. No waiting for clearance...not nothing.
There are a myriad of ways to disobey stupid directives. That guy in Uvalde should have been run to ground and terminated in place before the chief or even the media ever got a call of what was happening.
There are another two factors at play.
The loss of qualified immunity. If I was still on the job…in all honesty...without qualified immunity, I would take my retirement and leave the sheep of the earth to fend for themselves.
Another factor is unionized police vs right-to-work. A unionized agency is protected from the whims of the politicians, and those officers are protected from the vindictiveness of administrators. My agency was unionized and so I could - with a credible plausible story - disobey a foolish order, and not be fired for it. In an agency lacking that, an officer could ostensibly be fired for disobedience. I have said in the past that the rank and file would not risk loss of their job by disobeying a direct order. I think this is an example of that sad state of affairs.
The other side of the coin is that an officer that knows what is happening and ignores a "stand by" order, goes in and kills the bad guy, thereby saving everyone, will rarely be fired. Can you imagine the lawsuit filed by such an officer for wrongful termination?
It is a large issue...but I suspect the culture of an agency begins with the leader of that agency. And that has a trickle down effect on how the officers behave. The more events that unfold like this, with inept and reluctant police action, the more people will begin to accept the notion that they need to take care of business themselves and never call for those who would not only muddy the waters but who would by inaction protect the bad guy from those who would remove him from the stage.
Gabriel Suarez
Just send them to Mexico, they will fit right in with the Mexican police. Would be an easy transition since they already speak Spanish.I saw this reported once before early
WATCH: Hero Uvalde Mom Who Rushed Inside School to Save Her Kids Says Police Threatened Her With Probation Violation if She Spoke to Media | The Gateway Pundit | by Cassandra MacDonald
The hero Uvalde mother who rushed inside the school to save her children has said that police threatened to hit her with a probation violation if she spoke to the media about what happened that day.www.thegatewaypundit.com
I expect there will be some voluntary and involuntary retirements in local popo in coming days and weeks....and I expect that a great many parents arent going to accept the "I was just following orders" bullshit
"I recall one who I knew personally who from the time we were in kindergarden everybody knew.
All through middle school , high school , everybody knew.
All the signs were there all his life , animal torture , sadistic tendencies .
Even at 10 -12 years old you knew never to turn your back on him.
His siblings knew and tried to get him locked up , court was having none of it.
He died in prison after getting life for splitting his mother's head with an hatchet.
Not a single person who knew him was surprised in the least."
Sounds like little Nicky Cruz, the Parkland shooter. Calls for bans on guns is just camouflage for the left's opposition to dealing with the mental health crisis in America.
"I recall one who I knew personally who from the time we were in kindergarden everybody knew.
All through middle school , high school , everybody knew.
All the signs were there all his life , animal torture , sadistic tendencies .
Even at 10 -12 years old you knew never to turn your back on him.
His siblings knew and tried to get him locked up , court was having none of it.
He died in prison after getting life for splitting his mother's head with an hatchet.
Not a single person who knew him was surprised in the least."
Sounds like little Nicky Cruz, the Parkland shooter. Calls for bans on guns is just camouflage for the left's opposition to dealing with the mental health crisis in America.
The system is not designed to deal with violent mentally boys, teachers, admin are loath to involve the authorities because of their guilt trip and the nonsense that every kid has potential. Just like DSS 's policy of returning kids to crack whore/abusive Mother's because of their misguided policy of keeping "families" together. The system is run by liberal social workers who don't believe in punishment.
Correct.There's another side to this, though: any teacher can tell you about "those kids," the ones everyone watches out of the corner of their eye because every adult in the building knows, just knows, that they're going to bring a gun in and shoot up the place.
And they never do.
People just aren't as accurate as they think they are when trying to predict who'll do this and who won't. I count myself in that.
So why did he do it?Correct.
And again, there's my childhood friend.
And the fact that, frankly, were there a "MOST Likely to Go Postal in a Fast Food Restaurant" yearbook superlative, in grammar school (where Mike and I were classmates) I'd probably be in the top twenty. In high school - at "St. Charles" - if not number one certainly the top three. I'm convinced half the reason they let me graduate in three years (unheard of at the time) is to get me out of their hair in case Something Bad happened.
Easy answer:So why did he do it?
From Gabe Suarez:
(this came thru in email) :
RELUCTANCE TO ENGAGE
I have been asked about the reluctance to engage by the troops in Uvalde. I confess to be astounded by the inaction of the "Non-Responders". I never remember such a thing ever happening when I was on the job.
Some have suggested that the officers were afraid to be second guessed by the administrators of the agency. But in that job you are ALWAYS second guessed, yet that didn’t stop any of us from doing what was necessary.
Sadly, the fear of second guessing has created a culture of inaction. The last Chief I worked under – in the previous century - was a black supremacist that would rather bury ten cops than see one of them shoot anyone. His words..."No officer will ever be disciplined for NOT shooting". That created a culture of sanctioned cowardice.
Today that sentiment is still alive in the profession. The LE training I have done...and I don't like doing LE training...has shown me that the % of meat eaters hasn't changed. But over half of the ranks are essentially worthless in a real fight. They may have great skills and be fit and graduate all the tactical schools...but the fear of repercussions has them in a place where all they are is window dressing. Don't expect any gallantry there. Then there are those capable and willing, but they have lost the ability for critical thinking and are in essence automatons who will go and do as they are told…but nothing else.
I hate to refer to the "old days", but that is where my perspective comes from. Shit went down and you handled it. Your world view was that you were there to deploy on the bad guys.
My first OIS was what would today be called an Active Shooter. No mutual aid or anything of the sort. Two cars working graveyard...one in pursuit of a carjacking into South Central. My partner and I get the call...we go there...we locate the bad guy...sneak up to him...and end the movie for him. Done and done. No waiting for clearance...not nothing.
There are a myriad of ways to disobey stupid directives. That guy in Uvalde should have been run to ground and terminated in place before the chief or even the media ever got a call of what was happening.
There are another two factors at play.
The loss of qualified immunity. If I was still on the job…in all honesty...without qualified immunity, I would take my retirement and leave the sheep of the earth to fend for themselves.
Another factor is unionized police vs right-to-work. A unionized agency is protected from the whims of the politicians, and those officers are protected from the vindictiveness of administrators. My agency was unionized and so I could - with a credible plausible story - disobey a foolish order, and not be fired for it. In an agency lacking that, an officer could ostensibly be fired for disobedience. I have said in the past that the rank and file would not risk loss of their job by disobeying a direct order. I think this is an example of that sad state of affairs.
The other side of the coin is that an officer that knows what is happening and ignores a "stand by" order, goes in and kills the bad guy, thereby saving everyone, will rarely be fired. Can you imagine the lawsuit filed by such an officer for wrongful termination?
It is a large issue...but I suspect the culture of an agency begins with the leader of that agency. And that has a trickle down effect on how the officers behave. The more events that unfold like this, with inept and reluctant police action, the more people will begin to accept the notion that they need to take care of business themselves and never call for those who would not only muddy the waters but who would by inaction protect the bad guy from those who would remove him from the stage.
Gabriel Suarez
Unionized departments protect problem children cops.This is a retarded person. Everything he says he needs are exactly what cause all the problems we have.
Suarez misses the "old days" when he could just sneak up and kill someone, and he loves QI and police union protection.
Suarez misses the "old days" when he could just sneak up and kill someone, and he loves QI and police union protection.
He's part of the problem, not part of the solution.