.380 was made great again (.380 Intercepter Taofledermaus)

[Agnotology]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlZdaDM04CA

 

[PappyM3]

It won’t penetrate deep enough to hit vitals.

380 needs an FMJ, low-expanding JHP, or a Lehigh fluted solid copper.

Edit: scanned through the video. 8.25” of penetration confirms my hypothesis. On pistols, the diameter of an expanded JHP is far less important than adequate penetration. Some are even leaning to being higher than FBI spec is desired due to what has been observed in people.

 

[67ray]

380 - why?

 

[PappyM3]

380 - why?

Smaller pocket guns than 9mm. Or, less recoil in locking guns like the P365 for those recoil sensitive.

380 can have effective terminal ballistics for a pistol cartridge. You just need to stay away from heavily expanding JHPs to get those ballistics.

 

[67ray]

Smaller pocket guns than 9mm. Or, less recoil in locking guns like the P365 for those recoil sensitive.

380 can have effective terminal ballistics for a pistol cartridge. You just need to stay away from heavily expanding JHPs to get those ballistics.

Pfffftttt we are splitting hairs here. 240 ft-lbs is the real problem

 

[rewster]

Sure beats coming out of the john with just your richard in your hand !!!!

 

[rep308]

Rules of a gun fight:

1) Bring a gun

 

[F2386]

Pfffftttt we are splitting hairs here. 240 ft-lbs is the real problem

That's why I CC a 500 S&W mag with 3000 ft lbs. I'm sending the bad guy and everyone next to him to the shadow realm.

 

[PappyM3]

Pfffftttt we are splitting hairs here. 240 ft-lbs is the real problem

And yet, 240 ft-lbs is enough energy to send a .355” projectile through someone’s body.

You asked why, I shared the reasons.

It doesn’t matter if the hole is .355” or .75” from an expanded .45. The only way for a quick incapacitation of a threat from a pistol is a vital shot or a CNS hit. The 380 will get the job done with good shot placement and an appropriate bullet. Even 9mm and 45 have considerations for JHPs that don’t penetrate enough.

 

[Dennis in MA]

380 - why?

Because it's 2002 again. LOL

380 made sense when every 9 was a behemoth. Back when a double-stack Glock 26 was somewhat teh smallest 9 you could carry. (You could get a Kel-Tec Psomething-9 but it wasn't 100% reliable and they felt like the plastic outside was going to slide off in your hands while you shot it.)

I could see a 380 for pocket carry. But long gone are my days of carrying a 380 or worse a P32 in my pocket.

 

[kalash]

380 - why?

No idea, considering how many 9mm pocket guns are on the market now.

 

[ddeck]

380 was used to kill Gandhi.

Fired from an Italian M1934 in 380 (9mm Corto)

 

[PappyM3]

Because it's 2002 again. LOL

380 made sense when every 9 was a behemoth. Back when a double-stack Glock 26 was somewhat teh smallest 9 you could carry. (You could get a Kel-Tec Psomething-9 but it wasn't 100% reliable and they felt like the plastic outside was going to slide off in your hands while you shot it.)

I could see a 380 for pocket carry. But long gone are my days of carrying a 380 or worse a P32 in my pocket.

No idea, considering how many 9mm pocket guns are on the market now.

380s are still smaller. And when comparing a locking action to a locking action (not direct blowback), 380 is noticeable lower recoil and less slide spring weight. That is a significant factor for a great many people who carry.

 

[kalash]

380s are still smaller. And when comparing a locking action to a locking action (not direct blowback), 380 is noticeable lower recoil and less slide spring weight. That is a significant factor for a great many people who carry.

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You can go even smaller though:



I don't think the goal is "as small as possible", is it? Isn't it more of "largest I can fit in my pocket"?

 

[67ray]

380 was used to kill Gandhi.

Fired from an Italian M1934 in 380 (9mm Corto)

380 for the 5% percentile male - got it

 

[PaulR]

My Sig 238 failed me with the Personal Defense ammo last time I took it out. Very upset. Then caught another guy saying Sig 238's are very unreliable with the PD ammo, so I stuffed mine with Blazer Brass. <shrug> <toothlessHillbilly>

 

[jkelly1229]

Didn't they name this something ridiculous a few years ago

 

[jkelly1229]

You can go even smaller though:

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I don't think the goal is "as small as possible", is it? Isn't it more of "largest I can fit in my pocket"?

View: https://youtu.be/aCZx5-b9tlE?si=i26y0thKuun0zA4z

 

[Marty McFly]

It won’t penetrate deep enough to hit vitals

Neither can I

 

[PappyM3]

You can go even smaller though:

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I don't think the goal is "as small as possible", is it? Isn't it more of "largest I can fit in my pocket"?

Or maybe the smallest that’s still effective and reliable? Start playing with the largest that can fit in your pocket game and all of a sudden your draw gets snagged.

 

[Yotacrawler]

I have been using the ARX in the wife's G42 carry gun and I have a G42 I carry jogging or doing any type of activity that I can’t carry a 9 or 45 easily. They seem to have pretty good penetration they leave a three prong hole in ballistic gel and seem to function reliably.

 

[Yotacrawler]

My Sig 238 failed me with the Personal Defense ammo last time I took it out. Very upset. Then caught another guy saying Sig 238's are very unreliable with the PD ammo, so I stuffed mine with Blazer Brass. <shrug> <toothlessHillbilly>

My wife's 238 does not function reliably with most carry ammo she would put all round nose and then the first round is a nasty defensive round. That way you rack the first round and it goes, then the rest are round nose and feed reliably behind it.

 

[Zappa]

James Bond carried a Walther PPK in .380 and he had no problem making kill shots.

 

[drgrant]

You can go even smaller though:

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I don't think the goal is "as small as possible", is it? Isn't it more of "largest I can fit in my pocket"?

Yeah but there's a trade-off and basically a 380 is about as small as is really practical. 9mm doesn't really lend itself to pocket carry even with the smallest guns.

 

[timbo]

James Bond carried a Walther PPK in .380 and he had no problem making kill shots.

It was actually a .32 ACP (7.65mm)...at least in the earlier JB movies

Walther PPK

The Walther PPK is a German pistol issued to James Bond in the 1958 Ian Fleming novel, Dr. No, and is used in all subsequent books as his signature weapon. With the transition to the big screen, the PPK became Bond's primary weapon and was featured from 1962 (Dr. No) to 1997 (Tomorrow Never...

jamesbond.fandom.com

"Walther PPK. 7.65mm with a delivery like a brick through a plate-glass window. Takes a Brausch silencer, with little reduction in muzzle velocity. The American CIA swear by them."
~Major Boothroyd to James Bond~

 

[kalash]

9mm doesn't really lend itself to pocket carry even with the smallest guns.

Why not? I've been doing it for at least two years, maybe longer.

 

[drgrant]

Why not? I've been doing it for at least two years, maybe longer.

That's cool that it works for you but imo even a 43 is too big for a lot of people for that application.

 

[MaxStravinsky]

380 - why?

Because not every person needing to carry a gun is a healthy, strong, young man!!!!
%@#$%@#$%@#!!!

Do you freaking guys forget that there are other types of people wanting to shoot guns?

 

[Dennis in MA]

James Bond carried a Walther PPK in .380 and he had no problem making kill shots.

Hell, he killed guys with is 25Assippee Beretta. A Nerf gun has more muzzle energy. LOL

 

[rewster]

James Bond carried a Walther PPK in .380 and he had no problem making kill shots.

From long distances, up hills, down into valley and around corners !!! JB was just one hell of a shot !!