ak 47 pistol mass compliant

Not an expert by any means, but isnt it true (ATF regs) a Pistol Ak/Ar type has to have been a pistol from the factory, and can not be configured to be a pistol if it wasn't already???

Not that it matters in this state.
 
rkwjunior said:
Not an expert by any means, but isnt it true (ATF regs) a Pistol Ak/Ar type has to have been a pistol from the factory, and can not be configured to be a pistol if it wasn't already???

Not that it matters in this state.
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The receiver has to be built into a pistol in it's first complete configuration. Once you put a stock on it, it is forever a rifle, as if anyone would ever know.

warwickben said:
Don't matter about factory with these guys.... They'll make there own receiver .
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This.

I am also in the middle of a HK53 pistol build, but I think the BCG it self weighs more then your law allows, but I will weigh it when finished anyways.
 
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edmorseiii said:
The receiver has to be built into a pistol in it's first complete configuration. Once you put a stock on it, it is forever a rifle, as if anyone would ever know.
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You'll need the virgin receiver transferred to you as a pistol if you don't build it your self at least in mass cause of the fa10 . I don't remember if the fed paper work when you buy a receiver says what it is.

On a gun like a ar15 if its first a pistol you can toss a stock and a 16" inch plus upper on it and use it as a rifle and convert it back to a pistol when ever you want . But if it starts life as a rifle it's always has to be a rifle . This why you can buy a rifle upper for a glock or 1911 and convert it back at will.
 
warwickben said:
You'll need the virgin receiver transferred to you as a pistol if you don't build it your self at least in mass cause of the fa10 . I don't remember if the fed paper work when you buy a receiver says what it is.

On a gun like a ar15 if its first a pistol you can toss a stock and a 16" inch plus upper on it and use it as a rifle and convert it back to a pistol when ever you want . But if it starts life as a rifle it's always has to be a rifle . This why you can buy a rifle upper for a glock or 1911 and convert it back at will.
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lol FA10.

I am not much worried about it, and in case anyone hasn't figured it out, I am not a lawyer. Look to someone who cares more then I do about this stuff for good internet legal advice.
 
warwickben said:
You'll need the virgin receiver transferred to you as a pistol if you don't build it your self at least in mass cause of the fa10 . I don't remember if the fed paper work when you buy a receiver says what it is.
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This isn't relevant anymore. All lowers transfer as "Other" on the 4473 not as a Rifle or Handgun anymore. The latter two designations are only for assembled, functioning guns of the respective type.

-Mike
 
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drgrant said:
This isn't relevant anymore. All lowers transfer as "Other" not as a Rifle or Handgun anymore. The latter two designations are only for assembled, functioning guns of the respective type.

-Mike
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Yeah I figured on the federal level it was other ..
Just have to be careful about the mass FFl trying to fa10 it as a rife still? It's been awhile since I transferred a receiver into mass and that shop gave up on trying to do a fa10 since they had no idea what gun I was building . when they asked about barrel length and caliber I just said i don't know yet .
 
rkwjunior said:
Not an expert by any means, but isnt it true (ATF regs) a Pistol Ak/Ar type has to have been a pistol from the factory, and can not be configured to be a pistol if it wasn't already???
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Doesn't matter anymore, ATF treats them (stripped lowers) the same as of like 2?+ years ago. It only becomes a rifle or handgun once you make it into one.

-Mike
 
warwickben said:
Yeah I figured on the federal level it was other ..
Just have to be careful about the mass FFl trying to fa10 it as a rife still? It's been awhile since I transferred a receiver into mass and that shop gave up on trying to do a fa10 since they had no idea what gun I was building . when they asked about barrel length and caliber I just said i don't know yet .
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The FA-10 doesn't matter, a dealer filing an FA-10 on a lower is making a fraudulent claim, and that's his problem, not yours. It's then up to you to actually file it when the thing is actually a working gun. Dealers that file FA-10s on stripped lowers are retarded. Even when Guida was at CJIS he told dealers to NOT do this because a stripped lower is not a firearm.

-Mike
 
warwickben said:
Drool. Would love to see how you'd do it under the weight limit. Ak pistol I get , ar not so much cause of the buffer. Granted I've see those weird uppers that don't use a buffer.
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You assemble an AR pistol cause they are a bag o' fun, that's why. Ask Soloman02, CTC, and myself how we know! LOL That tube actually has some usage as it is. Trust me.

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thehoyt said:
You assemble an AR pistol cause they are a bag o' fun, that's why. Ask Soloman02, CTC, and myself how we know! LOL That tube actually has some usage as it is. Trust me.

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I am going to do this with one of the lowers I have kicking around once I recover from all the moving costs, they do look like a lot of fun.
 
atilla said:
very tempting...
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edmorseiii said:
The receiver has to be built into a pistol in it's first complete configuration. Once you put a stock on it, it is forever a rifle, as if anyone would ever know.
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Not true any more.

ATF recently ruled that if the firearm was originally manufactured as a PISTOL (the key here being originally manufactured as a pistol!!!), that you may put a stock and corresponding 16"+ barrel on it and turn it into a rifle. The big deal about the ruling was that once it started as a pistol and you converted it to a rifle (NOT A SBR), that you could then at your pleasure convert the rifle back to a pistol and vice versa.
 
So, how do you get a MA compliant pistol in MA without it looking like swiss ****ing cheese?

You buy a PAP M92 and do one of two things:

A. at the FFL before the transfer, you add a fixed stock and MASSufacture a legal length barrel. Then you take possession of it via the transfer AS A RIFLE.

OR

B. do the above, but you Form 1 your pistol (with buttstock and hideously long and ugly as **** barrel) into a MA legal SBR.



Choosing option B. gives you a factoy built pistol with a nicely functional buttstock (which we know as a SBR). That's what I would do...
 
Steyr_AUG said:
So, how do you get a MA compliant pistol in MA without it looking like swiss ****ing cheese?

You buy a PAP M92 and do one of two things:

A. at the FFL before the transfer, you add a fixed stock and MASSufacture a legal length barrel. Then you take possession of it via the transfer AS A RIFLE.

OR

B. do the above, but you Form 1 your pistol (with buttstock and hideously long and ugly as **** barrel) into a MA legal SBR.



Choosing option B. gives you a factoy built pistol with a nicely functional buttstock (which we know as a SBR). That's what I would do...
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How are you supposed to accomplish A? I don't think swapping the barrel on an AK is a trivial matter like on an AR.
 
You could pin or weld a long barrel extension on in 5 minutes.

I'm sure many people on here are creative enough to figure it out.
 

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