chindogg
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Anyone here have any experience with antibiotics? Seems like after Sandy might be useful to have some around for whatever may pop up. Colloidal silver will even take out mrsa. Beyond that I am empty.
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From my own experience:Fish Flex
Yes, it's for aquarium fish.
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I suggest researching appropriate dosages / allergies / side effects on your own (knowledge is power) as I am not a doctor.
I have taken the 500 mg tablets to combat a nasty infected wound a couple of years ago and it cleared up quickly just continue taking it for a week to ten days after noticing improvement to be sure you've nuked the lil'buggers from orbit.
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Stocking up on regular OTC remidies such as tylenol, mucinex, benadryl, bacitracin ect... will handle 99% of whaat can be expexted. Anything "Serious" will require a real doctor.
Yes, it's for aquarium fish.
Is the same thing as
I suggest researching appropriate dosages / allergies / side effects on your own (knowledge is power) as I am not a doctor.
I have taken the 500 mg tablets to combat a nasty infected wound a couple of years ago and it cleared up quickly just continue taking it for a week to ten days after noticing improvement to be sure you've nuked the lil'buggers from orbit.
ETA:
Stocking up on regular OTC remidies such as tylenol, mucinex, benadryl, bacitracin ect... will handle 99% of whaat can be expexted. Anything "Serious" will require a real doctor.
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Colloidal silver is not an antibiotic. It's a product marketed towards naive people.
I'm not a big fan of this fish antibiotic fad - I'm not convinced that the controls are the same.
Many people have no idea how to take a proper regimen even when it's written out for them on the bottle. Incomplete regimens lead to incomplete treatments, recurrence, and additional resistance. Furthermore, without knowledge of what you're infected with, the antibiotic you choose may be totally ineffective against the bugs you're trying to treat. Additionally, if you're not well versed in the effects you can end up in big trouble - for example, cephalexins and other cephalosporins can have upwards of a 10% cross-sensitivity rate in patients with a anaphylactic-type reaction to penicillin, which can end your life very quickly. You might take some cleocin for an infection and not realize that it can cause a higher rates of a potentially deadly Clostridium dificile GI tract infection. Or if you took some metronidazole for an infection (like the aforementioned pseudomembranous colitis) you might find it totally ineffective (only works against anaerobic bacteria) or you might get extremely sick because you went drinking with your buddies, not realizing that metronidazole and alcohol are a very bad combination.
These are very basic things that docs have pounded into them relentlessly while in training and are pretty much automatically considered and accounted for. If you don't know the drugs, you can screw yourself up pretty bad.
I'm not a big fan of this fish antibiotic fad - I'm not convinced that the controls are the same.
Many people have no idea how to take a proper regimen even when it's written out for them on the bottle. Incomplete regimens lead to incomplete treatments, recurrence, and additional resistance. Furthermore, without knowledge of what you're infected with, the antibiotic you choose may be totally ineffective against the bugs you're trying to treat. Additionally, if you're not well versed in the effects you can end up in big trouble - for example, cephalexins and other cephalosporins can have upwards of a 10% cross-sensitivity rate in patients with a anaphylactic-type reaction to penicillin, which can end your life very quickly. You might take some cleocin for an infection and not realize that it can cause a higher rates of a potentially deadly Clostridium dificile GI tract infection. Or if you took some metronidazole for an infection (like the aforementioned pseudomembranous colitis) you might find it totally ineffective (only works against anaerobic bacteria) or you might get extremely sick because you went drinking with your buddies, not realizing that metronidazole and alcohol are a very bad combination.
These are very basic things that docs have pounded into them relentlessly while in training and are pretty much automatically considered and accounted for. If you don't know the drugs, you can screw yourself up pretty bad.
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Hiltonizer
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Another vote for the amoxicillian branded for fish tanks, much of it is produced by the same manufacturers and sold in the same exact formulations and capsules you'd get if you got a generic script.
But I otherwise agree with vellnueve, so don't mess with this shit unless you absolutely have to.. keep a bottle on hand for absolute teotwawki.. if you were qualified to use it otherwise you wouldn't have ask here. There's a source/brand frequently referenced on survival boards that I won't mention here, do the research. I also agree that colloidal silver is a farce.
There's some fuddery around much of it, but herbals like Olive Leaf (standardized oleuropein) have demonstrated efficacy against viral and bacterial infections if you want to temper minor issues... but when you need a doctor, you need a doctor. I personally stock a few herbal remedies for some basic things, but search through pubmed for legit studies so you don't end up buying what amounts to snake oil. You can cut your time losses and rule out anything labeled as homeopathic.
Prednisone is also something you could keep for minor mechanical injuries... for your dog of course, just tell your vet you think your dog has a sprain. All disclaimers implied as I'm not a vet/doctor, just some keyboardiot.
EDIT: Relevent paper on Oleuropein http://www.scipharm.at/default.asp?id=631&lid=2
But I otherwise agree with vellnueve, so don't mess with this shit unless you absolutely have to.. keep a bottle on hand for absolute teotwawki.. if you were qualified to use it otherwise you wouldn't have ask here. There's a source/brand frequently referenced on survival boards that I won't mention here, do the research. I also agree that colloidal silver is a farce.
There's some fuddery around much of it, but herbals like Olive Leaf (standardized oleuropein) have demonstrated efficacy against viral and bacterial infections if you want to temper minor issues... but when you need a doctor, you need a doctor. I personally stock a few herbal remedies for some basic things, but search through pubmed for legit studies so you don't end up buying what amounts to snake oil. You can cut your time losses and rule out anything labeled as homeopathic.
Prednisone is also something you could keep for minor mechanical injuries... for your dog of course, just tell your vet you think your dog has a sprain. All disclaimers implied as I'm not a vet/doctor, just some keyboardiot.
EDIT: Relevent paper on Oleuropein http://www.scipharm.at/default.asp?id=631&lid=2
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Just to second........ Having c.diff blows... I thought I was going to die.... If you do stock up on antibiotics, do your home work thoroughly
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There's a reason that this stuff is by perscription. The issues and interactions noted above are real.
Unless you have a serious, known, pre-existing contdition, messing around with antibiotics is not a great idea. Is there a chance that a wound will become infected, despite proper care immediately after the injury? Yes. Is it possible that your body will succumb to the infection? Yes.
But, at the risk of sounding overly Darwinist, we've only had antibiotics for 60 -80 years (depending on how you define them)...and people survived before that.
Unless you have a serious, known, pre-existing contdition, messing around with antibiotics is not a great idea. Is there a chance that a wound will become infected, despite proper care immediately after the injury? Yes. Is it possible that your body will succumb to the infection? Yes.
But, at the risk of sounding overly Darwinist, we've only had antibiotics for 60 -80 years (depending on how you define them)...and people survived before that.
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Google argyria and read up on it before you even think of taking this stuff.
What really sucks is when you cdiff as a side effect of a prescribed antibiotic given by a doc for an infection it turns out you didn't have in the first place. Happened to a family member, resulted in several days of hospitializtion. If someone who supposedly knows what they are doing can make this sort of mistake (the original diagnosis was just plain wrong because the doc could not tell the difference between dental work he was told about and osteomeyletis on the cat scan), just imagine the kind of mistake you can make by guessing.
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Put your tail between your legs & go see a physician.
Admit that you were playing w/o a helmet & may need antibiotic(s).
Get a prescription for an actual antibiotic intended for humans. "J/K"
Don't risk taking anything intended for non-humans, Always consult a healthcare provider & be thankful you live in a country where it is easy to do.
I'm going to venture a guess - someone had some surgery (maybe some surgical extractions or something) and on the CT it looked like an area of reduced 'moth-eaten' appearance bone density?
C diff was the worst week of my life. Hands down
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Exactly. The DMD/MD who did the extraction drilled small holes in the jaw to insert a tool to push tiny bits of root out - and the patient told the infectious disease specialist MD who diagnosed osteomylits about the extraction.
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Yeah, but this sort of thing is why MDs take patient histories, and even specialists have broad spectrum training.
But, unlike any other field where an incompetent diagnosis would result in re-doing the work free, this resulted in more fully reimbursed services provided by the doc and hospital that screwed up in the first place.
I'm not saying that they shouldn't have caught that - they probably should have. I'm just pointing out that the radiographic appearance can be similar.
And, frankly, what many MDs know about the dental/maxillofacial field can be written on a very small surface with a very blunt object.
And, frankly, what many MDs know about the dental/maxillofacial field can be written on a very small surface with a very blunt object.
chindogg
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Colloidal siver is unbelievable. It got me off a ridiculous string of antibiotics for chronic sinus infections. It wacked an antibiotic resistant ear infection in my son. It takes out sore throats etc. Its great on cuts. It works on bacteria and viruses. So believe me it is not for naive people.
chindogg
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"Google argyria and read up on it before you even think of taking this stuff."
The most famous guy with this (looks like a blue santa claus) made his own and basically drank like a pint of it a day. I have been using colloidal silver for like ten years. I swear by it.
The most famous guy with this (looks like a blue santa claus) made his own and basically drank like a pint of it a day. I have been using colloidal silver for like ten years. I swear by it.
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Just an addendum to my previous post:
I had a previous perscription for Cephalexin and knew the dosage and duration which worked for me. I strongly advocate doing your own research and knowing what works for you should you need to seek alternative care.
I had a previous perscription for Cephalexin and knew the dosage and duration which worked for me. I strongly advocate doing your own research and knowing what works for you should you need to seek alternative care.
richc
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I agree with the notion of taking these meds under orders from trained medical professionals. For sure.
I also agree with the notion of having some extra on hand. It's one thing to need it, and have the ability to get it on demand from a pharmacy. It's another to need it and be without.
Should we bit hit with some sort of wide spread contagious disease it's better to be safe than sorry.
As a side note... I was chatting with a medical professional (not an MD or NP) recently who has done some level of prepping for her family, I asked what she had for meds. She said it's hard to get meds and samples from the hospitals anymore as they have trouble getting all the meds they need these days.
I also agree with the notion of having some extra on hand. It's one thing to need it, and have the ability to get it on demand from a pharmacy. It's another to need it and be without.
Should we bit hit with some sort of wide spread contagious disease it's better to be safe than sorry.
As a side note... I was chatting with a medical professional (not an MD or NP) recently who has done some level of prepping for her family, I asked what she had for meds. She said it's hard to get meds and samples from the hospitals anymore as they have trouble getting all the meds they need these days.
I know 2 guys that almost died as a result of c.diff. These two guys are very healthy men in their 60s and it took them 6+ months to get so they felt nearly OK.
This is a good idea to think about this stuff now before something big happens.
Rich
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http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/colloidal-silver/AN01682
Colloidal silver isn't considered safe or effective for any of the health claims manufacturers make. Silver has no known purpose in the body. Nor is it an essential mineral, as some sellers of silver products claim.
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Colloidal silver isn't considered safe or effective for any of the health claims manufacturers make. Silver has no known purpose in the body. Nor is it an essential mineral, as some sellers of silver products claim.
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So the Mayo clinic says it doesn't hurt you, but you shouldn't take it because we'd like to prescribe you other expensive medications that it might interact with?
I fail to see any evidence presented in that [STRIKE=-]opinion blog post[/STRIKE] article.
I'll give an example of a "home remedy" from personal experience. My wife, youngest son and I went on a hiking trip. During that trip we touched something that resulted in us getting a bacterial skin infection. Our primary doctor and two dermatologists tried for 5 months to get rid of it through various creams, antibiotics, etc. After those five months I talked to a friend who's into alternative treatments. She took two minutes and told me to take 2 parts olive oil, one part coconut oil and one part tea tree oil and apply it once a day. 5 days later the three of us were cured.
The point isn't that I don't trust doctors, because I do and I go to them when I really need to. The point is doctors don't know everything about every ailment and sometimes you should try the easy treatment first. Even that article states there's no side effects to taking it. So why not try it rather than paying a few hundred dollars in medical bills just for the doc to give you something you could have purchased online or in a pet store for $20?
Use a doctor when you have something seriously wrong, not when you have a sniffle or a common bug.
I fail to see any evidence presented in that [STRIKE=-]opinion blog post[/STRIKE] article.
I'll give an example of a "home remedy" from personal experience. My wife, youngest son and I went on a hiking trip. During that trip we touched something that resulted in us getting a bacterial skin infection. Our primary doctor and two dermatologists tried for 5 months to get rid of it through various creams, antibiotics, etc. After those five months I talked to a friend who's into alternative treatments. She took two minutes and told me to take 2 parts olive oil, one part coconut oil and one part tea tree oil and apply it once a day. 5 days later the three of us were cured.
The point isn't that I don't trust doctors, because I do and I go to them when I really need to. The point is doctors don't know everything about every ailment and sometimes you should try the easy treatment first. Even that article states there's no side effects to taking it. So why not try it rather than paying a few hundred dollars in medical bills just for the doc to give you something you could have purchased online or in a pet store for $20?
Use a doctor when you have something seriously wrong, not when you have a sniffle or a common bug.
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You mean like the same trials they use to approve the drugs we get persribed now, many which show death as a side effect?
Seriously, maybe we should also revisit how many people are killed by doctors evey year by something that wasn't the primary reason for the initial visit.
If you don't like home remedies, just say that. Don't turn others away from things you've never tried.
That. While I agree that horsing around with antibiotics is a bad idea, I do think people should take a look at what's out there alternatively. While not, silver or fish tank meds, I have found raw local honey to be effective for a lot of things - namely, my allergies, (or the ones I used to have). I had moderate to at times severe allergies and was prescribed every pill and nasal spray under the sun to little effect other than cost and headaches, (side effects). Then I started eating raw, locally harvested honey twice a day - every day. I have not had a single allergy symptom in 8-years. Nothing. No more pills and nasal sprays ever and I rarely get so much as a cold. I've also used honey to treat cuts and skin irritation, but of course I have no cite in the NJM for it, so it must not work - it's all in my head...
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Hiltonizer
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The truth is always somewhere in the middle... non-traditional medicine doesn't have the dollars in research and trials behind it, and is thwarted by companies with patentable products. Traditional products are made by traditional companies that fund the trials and shape the regulation. Always beware fuddery.
Another +1 for locally produced honey. ABout ten years ago I had developed an allergy to tree pollens and was pretty miserable for a good part of the warmer months. I started using honey I bought at the local farmers markets (buy local !) to replace the white sugar in my diet and after my allergies abated I didn't put 2 + 2 together until I realised I was not catching colds for a while.
While honey isn't a cure-all it certainly helps.
While honey isn't a cure-all it certainly helps.
No it doesn't... It's not recommended by the FDA, drug companies or your physician - therefore, it's just crackpottery... Now enough with the honey and get to your doctors office for some pills post haste...
