AR 15 Buffer Spring Question

[PigPknHeat]

I finally got to take my AR that I built out to the reange yesterday and it worked great no jams or problems what so ever. I did notice though that the Buffer spring was rather noticeable compared to other AR I have handeled. It sounded "crunchy" if that makes sense. But like I said it seems to work just fine, I just want to know if its normal.

The Buttstock I have is a RRA rifle length stock. Never shot one with a rifle length stock before today.

What do you guys think?

Thanks

 

[rcwhat]

I couldn't stand the cheese grater sound and feel so i replaced my buffer and spring with a JP silent captured spring and buffer setup, The difference in feel and sound is like night and day. Kinda pricey at $100 but I feel it was well worth it as the gun is even more enjoyable to shoot.

 

[PigPknHeat]

Cool thanks ill look into that and anything similar

 

[DMan7]

Lube

 

[Artifact]

Lube is useless, like mentioned before get a JP Silent and don't look back that way you eleminate the buffer ratiner and spring also.

 

[DMan7]

Lube is useless.

Incorrect. Lube is NEVER useless. Put a heavy grease on the spring, every single coil. Buffer too. Coat the inside of the buffer tube as well. Problem solved.

 

[Artifact]

Incorrect to you not me. My experience is different, grease has done nothing in order to eliminate that.

 

[DMan7]

Its possible I used a different grease, had a different setup, and applied it differently. That's probably why my experience was satisfactory and yours was 'useless'.

 

[jasons]

Its possible I used a different grease, had a different setup, and applied it differently. That's probably why my experience was satisfactory and yours was 'useless'.

You're really not supposed to lube the buffer or buffer spring in an AR. The lube will just attract dirt. It's not a good idea.

 

[DMan7]

A well documented back and forth on this topic can be found on AR15.com. There's no clear winner. It works fine for me. YMMV.

 

[jasons]

A well documented back and forth on this topic can be found on AR15.com. There's no clear winner. It works fine for me. YMMV.

I tend to give my own military training and experience a bit more weight than debate on some Internet website that's made up of at least 80% basement dwelling tacti-tards. Greasing the buffer assembly is a "solution" for a non-existent problem and it will negatively affect the reliability of your rifle. Of course by all means do whatever you want.

 

[DMan7]

Ahhh..dawn breaks over Marblehead. Thank you Jasons. Yes, the problem per the OP is "crunching sound". Now, if we concur that this is indeed a problem, then by definition are we tacti-tards? And we can either spend $100 per an earlier suggestion, or lube it. While I have never been in the infantry, I agree that I would have more pressing things to worry about than 'crunchiness'. Lubing the buffer spring "Negatively affect the reliability?" Please. Are we going to get into a reliability discussion now? I'll bet a lot of ARs on this board go from safe to bag to trunk to range and back to safe, rarely see a swamp or a dirty environment. The back of my BCG is quite clean.

But alas since I'm not in the infantry, and we're here to solve crunchiness, I will return to my tacti-tardiness. Some people have tried light coatings of CLP, dry lube or other things which seemed to help. And hey, if you find it negatively impacts your reliability, just wipe it off! Sheesh!

 

[jasons]

Yes, the problem per the OP is "crunching sound". Now, if we concur that this is indeed a problem, then by definition are we tacti-tards?

Yeah, pretty much. The rifle works just fine as designed when maintained properly.

I finally got to take my AR that I built out to the reange yesterday and it worked great no jams or problems what so ever.

Then why **** with it?

 

[Deleted member 12999]

I don't know about OP, but my rifle makes om nom nom sounds when its eating lead, not crunching.

 

[ntomsw]

I don't know about OP, but my rifle makes om nom nom sounds when its eating lead, not crunching.

As for the OP, leave it alone. A spring banging around a little bit is no big deal. I use a Spikes Tactical ST-T2 buffer, so that's a lot quieter, and a stainless spring from Spikes I believe or BCM. I don't notice that much banging around in my ear when shooting it. At least not anything that bothers me that much.

As long as it throws lead down range like it's intended use, I don't waste money.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

I run A2 stocks in my ARs. I used to notice the noise, but now I don't even think about it. I think I just got used to it. I don't think lube is necessary either. I put s little on the retaining pin and spring, just to prevent rust. I don't pop the buffer spring out every time I clean either. It never seems to get dirty.

 

[ericcif]

As for the OP, leave it alone. A spring banging around a little bit is no big deal. I use a Spikes Tactical ST-T2 buffer, so that's a lot quieter, and a stainless spring from Spikes I believe or BCM. I don't notice that much banging around in my ear when shooting it. At least not anything that bothers me that much.

As long as it throws lead down range like it's intended use, I don't waste money.

Use the ST-T2 myself. Great buffer and reduced noise a lot also made the rifle smoother.

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[gunslinger2a]

anyone ever try a twang-buster?

just curious

 

[gunslinger2a]

I tend to give my own military training and experience a bit more weight than debate on some Internet website that's made up of at least 80% basement dwelling tacti-tards. Greasing the buffer assembly is a "solution" for a non-existent problem and it will negatively affect the reliability of your rifle. Of course by all means do whatever you want.

80%? subjective opinion, or did you do a poll?
Hmm what should we compare DD-214s and Man-cave interiors to qualify suggestions? jeesh. I would never grease a buffer spring either, but I'm curious how you think doing so would affect the rifle's relaibilty other than attracting a bit of dirt to the spring. I mean it's not going to tractor-beam thumb sized pebbles to the tube, right?

 

[Sweeney]

I concur with the others who mentioned the JP silent captured spring. I bought two, put one in my LMT, fire it once and smiled. It didn't rattle my newly fixed ears. I lent the other to one of the guys at my LGS. When I caught up to him after he had made a trip to the range I asked what he thought. He just handed me $130.00 and said "It's not coming out of my rifle". I've ordered another two, one for me and one for him.

 

[jasons]

80%? subjective opinion, or did you do a poll?
Hmm what should we compare DD-214s and Man-cave interiors to qualify suggestions? jeesh. I would never grease a buffer spring either, but I'm curious how you think doing so would affect the rifle's relaibilty other than attracting a bit of dirt to the spring. I mean it's not going to tractor-beam thumb sized pebbles to the tube, right?

I cross-reference AR15.com membership records with subscriptions to tacti-kool magazine. It was all very scientific.

Do you really think that unnecessarily attracting dirt and grime to a part of the rifle critical to it's proper function would improve reliability?

 

[PigPknHeat]

well I guess I opened up a can of worms here ... I guess if its not a problem the money is staying in the bank, maybe try froglube but im just making sure it was not a problem... sorry for the delay in reply I have been pretty busy

 

[Artifact]

I don't care if you put unicorn jizz, the crunchiness or whatever you want to call it will always be there and bother you if you let it.

 

[ThePreBanMan]

You're really not supposed to lube the buffer or buffer spring in an AR. The lube will just attract dirt. It's not a good idea.

I agree with this. Lube in the buffer tube is a no no. I can't seem to locate where any manufacturer recommends this. I do not claim to know more than them on the topic.

 

[Supermoto]

I grease my buffer tubes, it much better without the twang. Reliability issues from a dirty buffer tube is a non issue. That dirt has to travel across the bolt, bcg and receiver first and if its enough dirt to cause a problem at the extension, then it will certainly causes issues at the receiver

 

[warpig]

I don't care if you put unicorn jizz, the crunchiness or whatever you want to call it will always be there and bother you if you let it.

can I pick up the Unicorn Jizz next to the Frog Lube?

 

[ntomsw]

well I guess I opened up a can of worms here ... I guess if its not a problem the money is staying in the bank, maybe try froglube but im just making sure it was not a problem... sorry for the delay in reply I have been pretty busy

No it's not a problem. The noises you hear are normal. I wouldn't grease anything back there either. Pointless to me.

 

[ericcif]

Guess I'm building my AR's different then some because I don't have this nasty gap issue some are having with dirty getting into my buffer tube. Maybe try assembling the upper and lower together before firing will help?

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[rcwhat]

I don't care if you put unicorn jizz, the crunchiness or whatever you want to call it will always be there and bother you if you let it.

not if you swap it with a JP silent captured spring setup. smooth as buttah.

 

[Artifact]

not if you swap it with a JP silent captured spring setup. smooth as buttah.

That's what I have on mine and works great but the OP doesn't want to spend.