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I think this thread would be a great topic for a "Mythbusters" episode.
I think this thread would be a great topic for a "Mythbusters" episode.
We need a foreign country to operate in (that doesn't have lame gun laws) or flag of convenience ship located far enough offshore.... otherwise, we'd likely be filming a felony.
-Mike
We need a foreign country to operate in (that doesn't have lame gun laws) or flag of convenience ship located far enough offshore.... otherwise, we'd likely be filming a felony.
-Mike
Or an 07.
Don't they still have to beg for permission before manufacturing something? Might have to wait a long time.
-Mike
Don't they still have to beg for permission before manufacturing something? Might have to wait a long time.
-Mike
Terra, my last browse of the regs looking over NFA, C&R and the like, I read a few passages in that area and while I definitely could mistaken, there is no "exception" for "tinkering" or R&D. You need to have a FFL in place for that and then file a form (post-haste) when it comes into being - even for "tinkering"...From an R&D perspective. Like tinkering? I doubt it. I always thought you needed to get sign off on production.
Terra, my last browse of the regs looking over NFA, C&R and the like, I read a few passages in that area and while I definitely could mistaken, there is no "exception" for "tinkering" or R&D. You need to have a FFL in place for that and then file a form (post-haste) when it comes into being - even for "tinkering"...
Again, based on my poor and hasty read, I wasn't not terribly concerned with this section you did not need to "get permission" to build something evil provided you are already an 07 FFL - you just had to file a form when the part in question came into existence.I know the FFL thing, but it's the "permission" as Mike put it is not clear to me. If you make a part and destroy that part in a matter of minutes, does that require a form and do you have to wait for permission before doing so?
A Class 2 SOT can make, tax free, machine guns, silencers, short
rifles, short shotguns or AOWs. A Class 2 can also have weapons
transferred to him tax free, by other SOT's. He also has to have
a type 07 or type 10 FFL. He does not need to ask prior permission
of ATF to make a weapon, he would notify ATF of its making within
24 hours after its making by filing Form 2 with ATF.
Terra:
You will find this verbiage repeated all over the net in NFA FAQs
http://www.lmsdefense.com/forum/index.php?topic=1855.0
If it was destroyed prior to becoming a machine gun or "readily converted" then it never "came into being"... But as with so much of ATF law, its more a function of whether they've decided to test to see if you are a witch by putting an iron on your tongue to see if it swells...The registered part would need to be registered AFTER THE FACT. So no permission, that seems to jibe with what I thought. But if it was destroyed in the making, no clarity there. I hate broad and far reaching regs.
Add rubber bands and duct-tape and the right "person of interest"... Yes... and charges of NFA violations will follow![]()
It was only a month ago that a bizarre story broke in the Pacific Northwest, as Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officers trumpeted their seizure of what they claimed were more than two dozen machine guns disguised as toys.
The problem with the CBP claim was that the items seized were 16 WE TTI (WE Tech) M4A1 and 14 WE TTI (WE Tech) M4 CQBR gas blowback Airsoft rifles that shoot plastic BBs.
They really were toys.
But instead of admitting they can’t tell a toy gun from a real one, CBP turned these Airsoft rifles over to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), and the agency agreed that these pot-metal made, plastic BB-shooting plinkers were honest-to-God firearms.
To put it mildly, things got interesting...
Here we go.... Any bets what new laws will get proposed because of this???????
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/06/exclusive-toy-gun-sold-easily-turned-real-thing/
EXCLUSIVE: Toy Gun Sold in U.S. Can Easily be Converted to the Real Thing
Unless I see it done, I'm not buyin' it (literally or figuratively).
ETA: Couldn't you swap out the words "Airsoft rifle" for "vacuum cleaner" and still have the same potential outcome? The receiver is one of the least complex components of an AR. I'd think a patient and talented tradesman could probably chisel a moderately-usable receiver out of hardwood.
No, they've now made airsoft NFA. Constructive possession rules apply.this means that i can finally get an upper to turn my stupid AR into a real airsoft rifle, right?
Asahi is renowned by airsoft players worldwide for their rare and controversial M40/M700. When the sales of the ended in 1993, the Japanese government collected and destroyed most of the traceable M40 and M700 models. This was due to the confirmed rumor that because of the M40's air cartridge system, the bolt could be switched out for a real steel .22 long bolt. There are only 25 of these models left in circulation and can range fom $1,500 up to $3,500 depending on the condition and modifications. The Asahi M40/M700 is the rarest airsoft gun in existence and is considered the "Holy Grail" of airsoft guns.