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Lol so whats the new standard 79%?
There's still a line, somewhere.
Would sellers have to serialize existing stock of 80% frames if the big AFT gender reveal says so? What would it look like? That warehouse full of 80% poverty ponies just gets sold as is?
I know those metal coat hangers are hard to find nowadays.Wait, aren’t my shoe laces already machine guns?
Here is my personal read of the new proposal in terms of what it means to me.Lol so whats the new standard 79%?
There's still a line, somewhere.
Well, or for that matter, are they going to ban CNC machines? Or people from buying metal
So I guess this puts my plans on buying a ghost gunner out the effing window…? So we are to assume that an 80% stripped lower can be “Readily” made into a firearm?Gonna ban billet aluminum. Cos f*** anyone trying to manufacture shit, now they will need to get FFLs and pay ITAR and SOT.
We?Here is my personal read of the new proposal in terms of what it means to me.
They are clarifying the definition of frame/receiver of a gun in a way that (currently) we all can agree on. Particularly, the receiver of an AR is the lower.
The Pope and I always use the "royal we” (know as nosism) .We?
You have a frog in your pocket?
Please exempt me from the “we” you speak of. The receiver of an AR is two separate parts combined by take down pins, the lower and the upper. The lower may be serialized, but it’s just as much the definition of “receiver” as the upper, at least according to the current federal definition. MA doesn’t define a receiver but there is a federal definition, and I’m paraphrasing, but “that part of a pistol, rifle and/or shotgun that accepts the fire control group, the action and the threaded part to accept the barrel”. An AR‘s “receiver“ is split into two halves. You’re a simp if you think for one second, the government wouldn‘t move to serialize the upper and the lower if they had the votes. Don’t carry water for the government. They’d get rid of all of your rights if they could. They’re playing the long game and stripping away your rights now.Here is my personal read of the new proposal in terms of what it means to me.
They are clarifying the definition of frame/receiver of a gun in a way that (currently) we all can agree on. Particularly, the receiver of an AR is the lower. They even give you a little picture:
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The upper will continue to be an unserialized part that is not considered a firearm frame or receiver. So I can still get uppers on the internet.
Privately Made Firearms (and they very specifically called out made rather than manufactured) continue to not require any marking as long as they are retained for personal use or are sold face to face where both parties are resident of the same state. If the firearm goes through an FFL, that FFL needs to get it marked within seven days of receiving it. An FFL can no longer transfer an unmarked PMF. So I don’t need to mark my private builds.
Any partially completed frame/receiver that can be “readily completed” will need to be treated as a firearm frame or receiver. The ATF Director gets to determine if a partially completed component can be “readily” completed. So in regards to incomplete frames/receivers, we will go down the same rathole as with the MA Attorney General's stupid consumer protection rules for handguns. No one will really know what is acceptable and what isn’t until the ATF decides to come after them. I’m assuming that the acting ATF Director will declare current 80% lowers/frames to be “readily completed”, and will therefore require serial numbers, go through an FFL, have a 4473 and background check. Since current 80% lowers will now go through the same process as a stripped lower, I would expect them to go the way of the Dodo. Might as well use a stripped lower if you have to get an 80% with a serial number through an FFL and fill out a 4473.
Everything else seems to be directed at FFLs, manufacturers and importers.
Please exempt me from the “we” you speak of. The receiver of an AR is two separate parts combined by take down pins, the lower and the upper. The lower may be serialized, but it’s just as much the definition of “receiver” as the upper, at least according to the current federal definition. MA doesn’t define a receiver but there is a federal definition, and I’m paraphrasing, but “that part of a pistol, rifle and/or shotgun that accepts the fire control group, the action and the threaded part to accept the barrel”. An AR‘s “receiver“ is split into two halves. You’re a simp if you think for one second, the government wouldn‘t move to serialize the upper and the lower if they had the votes. Don’t carry water for the government. They’d get rid of all of your rights if they could. They’re playing the long game and stripping away your rights now.
What they'd really like to do is take them all away, nevermind serialize the uppers.
But the person you quoted was citing accurate information, versus some of what we have read to the contrary (where folks read one paragraph of a massive document and jumped to conclusions).
Today, this action they are proposing, isn't impacting AR uppers or anything aside from 80% items (and some similar suppressor considerations). So at least as far as this goes, that's the extent.
My point is that this is still death by a thousand cuts. They are playing the long game. First they say "we're only concerned about the lower receiver" then tomorrow they say "we need to restrict criminals from access to all components used to make a gun or modifications that can be made to "make the gun even deadlier". This is a low energy, predictable and common tactic, to get heat off them from the 2A community by making you think "no big deal". They've been doing this for a century, slowly eroding your rights without creating too much opposition. One day, you'll wake up and realize your rights are gone.
Battle Cross arms?A prominent vendor, known to many here, put out an email late yesterday afternoon saying they have reason to believe that there will be a White House announcement of the rule change on Monday 4/11/2022.
I envision a joint 'dog & pony show' featuring Creepy Joe and equally creepy Merrick Garland.
This may be old hat but boy are they fine tuning it now. I cringe every time I see the new citizens bank commercial where the guy cant get the soda machine to accept the dollar bill and the woman pays instantly with her phone. Woo hoo....no more paper money...it will be great they say. Jesus we're doomed.They've been doing this for a century, slowly eroding your rights without creating too much opposition. One day, you'll wake up and realize your rights are gone.
This may be old hat but boy are they fine tuning it now. I cringe every time I see the new citizens bank commercial where the guy cant get the soda machine to accept the dollar bill and the woman pays instantly with her phone. Woo hoo....no more paper money...it will be great they say. Jesus we're doomed.
I was shocked I was able to get a live person at Home Depot checkout where I could pay cashOn a plus note, the 4 people ahead of me at Target paid with cash yesterday. Real dollar bills. Shocking!
they do and they will continue to, until they reach the british/european model.Please exempt me from the “we” you speak of. The receiver of an AR is two separate parts combined by take down pins, the lower and the upper. The lower may be serialized, but it’s just as much the definition of “receiver” as the upper, at least according to the current federal definition. MA doesn’t define a receiver but there is a federal definition, and I’m paraphrasing, but “that part of a pistol, rifle and/or shotgun that accepts the fire control group, the action and the threaded part to accept the barrel”. An AR‘s “receiver“ is split into two halves. You’re a simp if you think for one second, the government wouldn‘t move to serialize the upper and the lower if they had the votes. Don’t carry water for the government. They’d get rid of all of your rights if they could. They’re playing the long game and stripping away your rights now.
Yup, this is why simply banning bump stocks was more than simply banning bump stocksMy point is that this is still death by a thousand cuts. They are playing the long game. First they say "we're only concerned about the lower receiver" then tomorrow they say "we need to restrict criminals from access to all components used to make a gun or modifications that can be made to "make the gun even deadlier". This is a low energy, predictable and common tactic, to get heat off them from the 2A community by making you think "no big deal". They've been doing this for a century, slowly eroding your rights without creating too much opposition. One day, you'll wake up and realize your rights are gone.
Hopefully my order ships, i have lowers. Ordered some uppers.
i do not think they will have anything at all of any practical consequence to be announced on monday.Again, it's got nothing to do with uppers unless they basically re-wrote it since last published.
Even lowers, if they are in stock and ordered before policy actually changes, the expectation is for some period of time (weeks or months) we are in a grace period. Now in reality what will happen is probably prices skyrocket, stocks dwindle and are exhausted day 1 after announcement. But practically speaking I bet everything sitting on a shelf today makes it out the door directly to consumers before they become FFL transfered items.
i do not think they will have anything at all of any practical consequence to be announced on monday.