best engineering ideas on guns

[atmay]

That loose as crap fit is what makes it the best engineering design.

If you don't mind missing 9/10 at anything farther than CQB.

This is where someone points out that the AK was designed and made for conscripts, by conscripts. If you have a massive, expendable, shit-for-brains army, the AK IS an engineering miracle.

Over these parts, however...with a smaller, better trained volunteer military, precision platforms make A LOT more sense.

 

[Trupo]

If you don't mind missing 9/10 at anything farther than CQB.

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[SKS Ray]

Actually this is where I'm and riling up all the anti AK people.

I'll even go as far to say I think the AR is one of the worst engineering designs.

 

[JuergenG]

How about the MG42 ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N59msUnyy1g
Pure Rock'n Roll

 

[Twigg]

Just to see it done: .500 S&W Magnum chambered 1911

Not much of a stretch when you consider the Coonan Arms .357 1911.
Granted 700gr wadcutters might not work but RNFMJ in the 350-450gr range could be interesting.

 

[Coyote33]

How about shotguns? What are the leaders nowadays?

Benelli? Beretta? Remington? They all have some nice auto shotgun ideas. Imagine if some of those could be combined?

 

[SKS Ray]

How about shotguns? What are the leaders nowadays?

Benelli? Beretta? Remington? They all have some nice auto shotgun ideas. Imagine if some of those could be combined?

See post #23.

 

[scottb]

...OK, now the question part.

What ideas would you pull out of these or any other areas of gun making to make the best pistol, and why?...

That was the premise Gaston Glock's design team operated under when designing the M17. Glock wasn't a pistol manufacturer prior to developing the 17.

 

[Coyote33]

How about the 7.62 X 25 Tokarev, or a 400 Cor-bon, or one of the other bottleneck cartridges for handguns? Why doesn't somebody make a great designed gun around one of these cartridges, using some of the other good ideas?

 

[PaulD]

How about the 7.62 X 25 Tokarev, or a 400 Cor-bon, or one of the other bottleneck cartridges for handguns? Why doesn't somebody make a great designed gun around one of these cartridges, using some of the other good ideas?

There are plenty of good guns in .357 SIG.

 

[saltydude]

How about the 7.62 X 25 Tokarev, or a 400 Cor-bon, or one of the other bottleneck cartridges for handguns? Why doesn't somebody make a great designed gun around one of these cartridges, using some of the other good ideas?

My guess is the gun manufactures have accomplished this with the .357SIG.
With similar ballistics the .357 is around 5-ish mm shorter than the Tokarev. Manufactures these days like to employ shorter actions. That's half the reason the 30-06 fell by the wayside. The shorter round will also give them more room for grip dimentions. I think the Tokarev has seen it's day.

You can buy a 400 Corbon conversion barrel for virtually any .45acp chambered pistol Because it shares the same breechface dimension.

 

[M1911]

You can buy a 400 Corbon conversion barrel for virtually any .45acp chambered pistol Because it shares the same breechface dimension.

And then you can go to the gun store and buy up all that great 400 Corbon ammunition you've been seeing there

 

[saltydude]

And then you can go to the gun store and buy up all that great 400 Corbon ammunition you've been seeing there

Tell me about it. Another expensive useless round that still won't out perform a 10mm.

 

[Coyote33]

I was thinking more of the idea that the bottlenecked cartridges are supposed to feed better. As to the comment about availability, that was more my question, is why they never really caught on or were offered as a choice from a big manufacturer. If not the 400 Corbon, then the same questions might apply then to the 440 Corbon.

 

[Speedway]

The Remington model 51 is a work of art. Nuff said.

 

[Coyote33]

Yeah. It seems most modern firearms are pretty ugly. Compare a PPK to a PPS for example.

 

[drgrant]

The .400 Corbon is a dead caliber because anyone who would be shooting it owns a 10mm, which isn't a lot of people. Why the hell would you want a 10mm that holds less rounds in the magazine? That's all .400 CorBon really is. (and on top of that, the performance is likely somewhat worse, if you load up both to the max).

-Mike

 

[M1911]

The .400 Corbon is a dead caliber because anyone who would be shooting it owns a 10mm, which isn't a lot of people. Why the hell would you want a 10mm that holds less rounds in the magazine? That's all .400 CorBon really is. (and on top of that, the performance is likely somewhat worse, if you load up both to the max).

Yea, but 1% of the 376 of us 10mm owners really want it

 

[lupis42]

The .400 Corbon is a dead caliber because anyone who would be shooting it owns a 10mm, which isn't a lot of people. Why the hell would you want a 10mm that holds less rounds in the magazine? That's all .400 CorBon really is. (and on top of that, the performance is likely somewhat worse, if you load up both to the max).

-Mike

My biggest problem with the .400 Corbon is the .460 Rowland. If you're going to lose the magazine capacity anyway, you should get to push more lead faster into the bargain.

 

[Coyote33]

OK, to switch things up a little:

Are there any polymer, striker fired 9mm pocket pistols out there? Any polymer, blowback 9mm or any other caliber? Any blowback with a striker? The reason I ask about the blowback design is that it is simple, and also very compact.


Came up with the idea after reading this thread: Pocket pistols

 

[M1911]

Yes, the Kahr PM9 is a polymer striker fired pocket pistol. I'm not aware of any blowback 9mm handgun. Once you get up to 9mm, a blowback pistol would require a very heavy spring and have nasty felt recoil. There is a reason that most handguns have a locked breech.

 

[Coyote33]

...Manufactures these days like to employ shorter actions. That's half the reason the 30-06 fell by the wayside. ...

It has?