Darkslide
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Ok you got me… I’ll pay $2k for the damn thing and just list the bolt action upper here for $2k. I know what I got foo!"A friend"... it is OK, we get it.
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Look at @Broc Tuah ’s link for the complete 8/1 rifle for sale for $1,600.
No need to do any silly bolt stuff.
pastera
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Not really, a lower can be an assault style firearm by itself. But if it is part of a whole weapon that is manually operated, it is not an assault weapon.
” (g) “Assault-style firearm” shall not include any: (i) firearm that is operated by manual bolt, pump, lever or slide action; “
The part about being initially manufactured or configured a certain way only deals with copy/duplicate status for detachable mags. The part I quoted supersedes the copy/duplicate status.
Personally though, this is the only bolt action AR I’d want. In 300blk with a silencer. Not to get around an unconstitutional law:
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The only way to cure a firearm built off of an AR lower is to manufacture that lower as a fixed magazine lower.
Clause (f) of the "assault-style firearm" definition doesn't call out semiautomatic as a test, only detachable magazine.
So, no, without a fixed magazine you cannot possess any AR lower based firearm unless it is fixed magazine or lawfully possessed on 8/1/24 regardless of manual or semiautomatic action upper.
pastera
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No, a post 8/1 AR platform must be manufactured as a fixed magazine lower to be legal.
Even if a bolt action upper AR was legal an adjustable gas block set to zero gas would be readily converted therefore would still be considered semiautomatic.
pastera
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Dealers can't transfer an AR lower receiver because the receiver itself is an ASF.
The new definition of firearm includes frames/receivers and unfinished frames/receivers.
The definition of ASF copy/duplicate doesn't mention anything about ability to fire - the only way around it post 8/1 is fixed magazine.
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This thread is so full of aids it's giving me the sniffles.
You want a mag fed bolt gun? Buy this, it's a whole lot cheaper then whatever transvestite rifle you guys cooking up down there.
You want a mag fed bolt gun? Buy this, it's a whole lot cheaper then whatever transvestite rifle you guys cooking up down there.
pastera
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But they don't want a bolt gunThis thread is so full of aids it's giving me the sniffles.
You want a mag fed bolt gun? Buy this, it's a whole lot cheaper then whatever transvestite rifle you guys cooking up down there.
They want a full up AR and think buying a bolt action upper is a path to legally purchase an interchangeable mag lower and then they can ride dirty with a mail order upper.
At that point, get an 80% cash, build it out and swear that it was in Mass on 8/1. At least then the state would.need to prove that you couldn't possibly have lawfully possessed the paperweight 8/1.
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If by riding dirty you mean disregarding the law, bravo. But at that point, disregard to the fullest. Like you said, go 80%, with a short barrel, add that extra hole while milling it out, and lol at all of it.
I don't understand why more MA dudes don't do the 80% thing.
Darkslide
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I was being sarcastic.
I asked about the bolt stuff because my friend who is an FFL was wondering if this can bypass the ban. If so, he can stock these as a way for future gun owners to get an AR. Private transfers of lowers will only last until stock dries up, then future gun owners are f***ed. What then? I’m not just thinking of myself here. It’d be nice to have options.
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pastera
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The only workaround for AR platform that I know of at this point is fixed magazine.
If Snope (Bianchi) gets cert we should have an answer by June.
If not then figure 2-3 years for a case to perculate through Mass courts under Canjura.
Assault-style/Assault-weapon and large capacity magazine bans will be gone nationwide in the next four years or we will see the beginning of the end of all firearms possession in the country.
Vote accordingly.
Bolt or pump action ARs are also workarounds. But, like the fixed mag, they would need to be bought in another state due to the approved rosters.
Understood. But that comment was about transferring an 8/1 lower.
If your friend is an FFL and is really considering doing this, then he should pay one of the GOOD lawyers in MA to let him know if there is a work around. We are talking about putting a lot on the line so anyone serious would consult with a lawyer.
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I can not think of a SINGLE reason why I would want that.
If I was looking for a bolt rifle in .556 that takes AR mags, Mossberg and Ruger make excellent options. Paired with a decent optic, these are great 'yote guns, and would make an excellent intermediate range platform for the prepper who intends to keep a low profile should the worst happen (i.e. one who is planning to stay alive).
If I was looking for a MA compliant solution to scratch the AR itch, and there was a world in which I couldn't get a proper AR, I'd likely look into one of the MANY fixed magazine AR platforms floating around this state. When this dumb law gets overturned, it's a pretty simple job to covert one of them back to the way Eugene intended. And in the meantime, your friend, can blam his/her/their way through thousands of dollars of Herters best.
If your friend is undecided, he/she/they can buy both of the options above for less than the starting price of that freak of nature, and still have money left over for a few boxes of shells.
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While I think the bolt AR is kinda dumb, the muzzle loader makes me smile. What an excellent FU to the "the 2nd Amendment only covers muskets" crowd![[laugh]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/012.gif "Laugh [laugh]")
(Still WAY overpriced, tho)
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If I was looking for a bolt rifle in .556 that takes AR mags, Mossberg and Ruger make excellent options. Paired with a decent optic, these are great 'yote guns, and would make an excellent intermediate range platform for the prepper who intends to keep a low profile should the worst happen (i.e. one who is planning to stay alive).
If I was looking for a MA compliant solution to scratch the AR itch, and there was a world in which I couldn't get a proper AR, I'd likely look into one of the MANY fixed magazine AR platforms floating around this state. When this dumb law gets overturned, it's a pretty simple job to covert one of them back to the way Eugene intended. And in the meantime, your friend, can blam his/her/their way through thousands of dollars of Herters best.
If your friend is undecided, he/she/they can buy both of the options above for less than the starting price of that freak of nature, and still have money left over for a few boxes of shells.
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While I think the bolt AR is kinda dumb, the muzzle loader makes me smile. What an excellent FU to the "the 2nd Amendment only covers muskets" crowd
(Still WAY overpriced, tho)Modern Sporting Muzzleloader – Bolt Action AR Uppers | AR-10 & AR-15 | Uintah Precision
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It's $1000+ for an Anderson lower today.
LittleCalm
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The Uintah uppers are actually quite nice. Don’t think of it as a bolt action AR. It’s really almost like an action that just sits in an AR chassis. So many folks drop various actions (Ruger, Tikka, Rem, etc) into what is essentially an AR-like chassis because they want adjustable buttstock and pistol grip ergos and related options. Uintah simply allows you to avoid spending money on a chassis. Now, an AR chassis isn’t an MRD chassis, but it’s good to see other options out there.
dcmdon
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So let's pretend that I bolt a dummy gas block with no holes on it. So it's not readily converted.
Can you please provide some justification for "No, a post 8/1 AR platform must be manufactured as a fixed magazine lower to be legal."
That makes no sense, since one of the requirements for it to even be considered as an AW is that it be semi-automatic.
CrackPot
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Hey. Stop with your logic. You are interfering with people's truly held beliefs.
dcmdon
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From the text of the new law.
SECTION 16. Said section 121 of said chapter 140, as so appearing, is hereby further amended by striking out the definition of “Assault weapon” and inserting in place thereof the following 5 definitions:-
“Assault-style firearm”, any firearm which is:
(a) a SEMIAUTOMATIC, centerfire rifle with the capacity to accept a detachable feeding device and includes at least 2 of the following features: (i) a folding or telescopic stock; (ii) a thumbhole stock or pistol grip; (iii) a forward grip or second handgrip or protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (iv) a threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor or muzzle break or similar feature; or (v) a shroud that encircles either all or part of the barrel designed to shield the bearer’s hand from heat, excluding a slide that encloses the barrel.
SECTION 16. Said section 121 of said chapter 140, as so appearing, is hereby further amended by striking out the definition of “Assault weapon” and inserting in place thereof the following 5 definitions:-
“Assault-style firearm”, any firearm which is:
(a) a SEMIAUTOMATIC, centerfire rifle with the capacity to accept a detachable feeding device and includes at least 2 of the following features: (i) a folding or telescopic stock; (ii) a thumbhole stock or pistol grip; (iii) a forward grip or second handgrip or protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (iv) a threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor or muzzle break or similar feature; or (v) a shroud that encircles either all or part of the barrel designed to shield the bearer’s hand from heat, excluding a slide that encloses the barrel.
dcmdon
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Remember that there is nothing inherently illegal about an AR receiver.
An AR receiver can be built into an illegal AW. Or it can be built into a perfectly legal rifle by avoiding EITHER semi-automatic function or detachable magazine.
This is the same as something that most of us don't really think about.
Like a plain Jane Remington 1100 receiver. It too can be built into a legal shotgun or an evil illegal AW.
SAME EXACT THING.
Put a pistol grip and a forward vertical grip on the 1100 and its an AW
(c) a semiautomatic shotgun that includes at least 2 of the following features: (i) a folding or telescopic stock; (ii) a thumbhole stock or pistol grip; (iii) a protruding grip for the non-trigger hand; or (iv) the capacity to accept a detachable feeding device.
*******MORE text from the law illustrating that a bolt AR would not be an AW,.
(g) “Assault-style firearm” shall not include any: (i) firearm that is operated by manual bolt, pump, lever or slide action;
An AR receiver can be built into an illegal AW. Or it can be built into a perfectly legal rifle by avoiding EITHER semi-automatic function or detachable magazine.
This is the same as something that most of us don't really think about.
Like a plain Jane Remington 1100 receiver. It too can be built into a legal shotgun or an evil illegal AW.
SAME EXACT THING.
Put a pistol grip and a forward vertical grip on the 1100 and its an AW
(c) a semiautomatic shotgun that includes at least 2 of the following features: (i) a folding or telescopic stock; (ii) a thumbhole stock or pistol grip; (iii) a protruding grip for the non-trigger hand; or (iv) the capacity to accept a detachable feeding device.
*******MORE text from the law illustrating that a bolt AR would not be an AW,.
(g) “Assault-style firearm” shall not include any: (i) firearm that is operated by manual bolt, pump, lever or slide action;
dcmdon
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Don't bother.
His logic is wrong. Any number of shotguns and pistols can be built as AWs or compliant firearms.
Just because it COULD be built as an AW, doesn't make the receiver illegal.
If that were true, then every semi-auto handgun on the market with a light rail would be illegal because it COULD be made as an AW by installing a threaded barrel and a vertical forward grip attached to the pic rail.
(b) a semiautomatic pistol with the capacity to accept a detachable feeding device and includes at least 2 of the following features: (i) the capacity to accept a feeding device that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip; (ii) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (iii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip or silencer; or (iv) a shroud that encircles either all or part of the barrel designed to shield the bearer’s hand from heat, excluding a slide that encloses the barrel.
dcmdon
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Ha. For the first sentence, I thought you were serious.
Back in 2013, after the passage of the post sandy hook gun ban in CT, I sent an email to the CT state police firearms unit asking them to publish a guidance letter. The then current head of the group appeared to be a pro gun guy who was walking a tightrope.
My logic was the same as above. People were saying it was illegal to sell an AR receiver with the new law. I was arguing that just like a Glock or Rem 1100, an AR receiver could be built up as a compliant firearm or as an illegal AW.
His email reply asked me to call him. So I did.
He refused to put it on paper, but his response to me was that my interpretation was both "interesting and probably right". He brought up the fact that his opinion has no weight of law. I corrected him and mentioned that if he said they were illegal, he would be correct. It has no weight of law.
But if he said they were LEGAL, then anyone who got in trouble could use the letter as proof of entrapment via estoppel. So his letter would be legally "weighty". He agreed. But still declined to write anything.
Since then CT shops have sold thousands of compliant firearms based on "illegal" AR receivers.
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