cartridge identification

[32hockey]

I found these cartridges while cleaning my late grandfathers basement. If anybody can help ID them, that would be appreciated. He did have a Sprinfield Rifle in or around WWI, but that was 30 cal right?


http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/af113/32hockey/bullets_all.jpg

http://i999.photobucket.com/albums/af113/32hockey/bullet2.jpg

 

[MisterHappy]

look to be .30-'06.

If you can post a translation of the markings around the primer, or a clearer picture, more definite info may be possible.

They look to be 30 cal. That would not be on the case if it's military ammo - it's not like there was much choice!

 

[32hockey]

the numbers run (27) then (44), then looks like a lower case (hrn), then a lower case (s) with what appears to be a + sign after it. That's the best I can read.

 

[MisterHappy]

This link may help: http://cartridgecollectors.org/headstampcodes.htm

Based on it being a .30-'06 , it's likely imported -"hrn" is a german factory.

If you have a freind with a .30-'06, give them to him, and let him put it to good use.

ETA: Possibly 8 x 57 Mauser? Then, a German maker would make sense....

Best measure carefully, or compare in the flesh to a known cartridge - pix make it hard....

 

[Eric H]

Looks like some .30-06. They look like some good fun too.

 

[32hockey]

thanks for the replies, i'll check out the link and see.

 

[MisterHappy]

If you want to give them away, I'll be happy to help....

 

[Arioch]

They do look military. I don't know of any commercial suppliers that stake their primers.

 

[Arto]

Can you mike the bullet diameter? that would tell if it's 30 cal or 8mm

 

[ShadeWPI]

Who put .30-06 rounds on a 5-round stripper clip in 1944?

My guess (just a guess) is that they are more likely 8mm Mauser (8x57 rimmless) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.92x57mm_Mauser on a 5-round stripper clip. Bullet diameter is .323"

It looks like a slightly fattened .30-06 round. (comparison in the upper left of the link)

 

[Mike_Diako]

8x57 mauser

 

[ShadeWPI]

32Hockey,

It sounds like there's a general concensus that it's likely a stripper clip of 5 8mm x 57mm mauser cartriages, but you can verify this by measuring the bullet diameter at the case mouth.

If it's .30-06 the bullet diameter would measure 0.308
If it's a 8mm x 57mm mauser, it would measure 0.323 - I know that's only 15 thousandths of an inch difference, but with a set of calipers you should be able to make that measurement.

I believe the 5-round stripper clip was the standard issue ammunition for military units using mausers during the World Wars. I also believe the head marking "44" indicates that it's a 1944 production year.

 

[Ron Swanson]

Looks like a stripper clip of 8mm Mauser to me.

 

[MisterHappy]

Who put .30-06 rounds on a 5-round stripper clip in 1944?

My guess (just a guess) is that they are more likely 8mm Mauser (8x57 rimmless) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.92x57mm_Mauser on a 5-round stripper clip. Bullet diameter is .323"

It looks like a slightly fattened .30-06 round. (comparison in the upper left of the link)

Hell, I have .30-'06 in stripper clips NOW! Not everyone shoots a garand, ya know!

 

[JuergenG]

Stripper clip of 8x57 IS w/ lacquered steel cases, made in 1944

 

[MisterHappy]

Stripper clip of 8x57 IS w/ lacquered steel cases, made in 1944

Seeing your location, I'd say that you win on the "boots on the ground" level of authority!

Danke!