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[Fooped]

So, depressing.......I don't think there is much hope in MA. I would guess that a majority of people in this state would vote yes to banning all handguns. While the 2nd ammendment would prevent that from happening, the backdoor bans have worked really well. How about the fact that we can't buy ammo online or buy a new Glock? Pretty soon we'll see ammo taxes and that mandatory insurance law (per firearm).

The only thing we really do is hold MA up as an example of what democrates are all about and make them pay nationally.

This banning of AR is just another kick in the pants. On personal level, I really, really want an AR, but I don't know if I'll beat the ban

Let's not jump to conclusions just yet. There is no actual ban in place (or even on the docket to my understanding) for this coming year. I know that there could be a double-secret midnight "Executive" decision that could enact a ban, but we need to remain positive and continue to spread the word.

 

[calsdad]

UK and Austrailia lost all their guns because-

-the sheeple mindset of their owners enabled confiscation (too many of them
copped for the buyout, at least in the AU, and in GB there wasnt enough
gun owners for anyone to care).

-politically speaking the gun owners are far "outgunned" in those countries...
they're literally a minority of a minority. in AU or GB, there's no such
thing as losing an election, even a regional one, because of an incorrect
gun control stance. Not so in some parts of the US. (although that is
slowly starting to erode in some parts. )

Food for thought: If we had the same EU demographics in the US wrt guns, the antis
could simply repeal the 2nd amendment, making it irrelevant anyways, regardless
of the way SCOTUS rules... which would make the argument moot, legally speaking. It doesn't
matter at that point if its an individual right, they can just "delete" it from the constitution with 2/3rds
vote. (not going to happen anytime soon, but maybe in our lifetimes.)

Right now the courts have essentially supported all existing (and future)
gun control measures because they've not struck down a single one
of them, not on the federal level, or the state level, by virtue of the
2nd amendment. In a few cases they've been killed off because of
procedural violations, but not because of constitutionality. (EG, in San
Francisco, the handgun ban failed because CA has state level preemption
which basically trumps any ordinance which SF comes up with, so as soon
as it was signed the court crushed it on that. )

The fact that I have to make sworn statements under penalty of perjury
to the government on a 4473 form in order to acquire firearms (at least under
most circumstances) is pretty much prime evidence that the
government can (and does) do whatever the politicians let them get away
with. It's also prime evidence that the government widely considers that
gun ownership is a privledge and not a right. (note, I mean legally speaking,
in the face of the law, not what we believe it should be, which is an
unalienable right) Whens the last time you had to get permission from the
government before you had to exercise any of your other constitutional rights?

It's painfully obvious that most of the politicans and most of the courts
act as though the 2nd amendment doesn't exist. (or at least, they act as
though it does not apply to individuals) If we don't start smacking
them up in court, they'll keep getting away with it. Other rights are also
abused, but none as much as the 2nd. If we want to use the 2nd we
need to bring the fight to the enemy -now- before we lose support due to
attrition in the next generation or so. Otherwise the antis will get away
with the pet trick known as- "If you keep telling a lie long enough, it will
eventually become the truth." And that's what they're getting away with
WRT the 2nd.

-Mike

Exactly - we need to smack down the antis now while there is still a good proportion of people in this country who believe that the right to bear arms is an inalienable right - 2nd amendment or not. If we wait too long we will end up like Britain - where gun control has been infecting them for far longer than it has here. Remember that our revolution was not based really on starting a whole new society ( like say communist Russia) but was rather based on protecting what our forefathers thought were the inalienable rights of the citizens of England. The King was trying to usurp those rights and our forefathers fought back. The English is just further along the same historical path that we are now walking with gun control. Our Revolution interrupted the path the English were treading towards infringement of their rights - the English themselves never got interupted and they have ended up with almost complete gun control - and socialist goverment.

Unless we want to continue walking this same path towards total gun control - the path of "death of thousand paper cuts" that I mentioned before - sooner or later we will have to make a stand. Making a stand may mean you lose everything, this is true. But it also may mean you gain everything too. We already know where we are headed by not confronting the issue. Why are we so afraid to fight for what we believe in? One of previous respondents said that history, morality, and the 2nd Amendment have not mattered much up until now - well history, morality, and the rights of Englishmen did not matter much in the colonies either until our forefathers decided to stand tall on Lexington common one morning in April either. The King ran roughshod over all of their rights even though English law said otherwise. Once they stood up and said no more all of history changed - and morality and law supported what they did. We did not start going down the tubes as a country until we started forgetting that lesson once again.

Remember what Thomas Jefferson said:

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.

ATTRIBUTION: THOMAS JEFFERSON, letter to William Stephens Smith, November 13, 1787.—The Papers of Thomas Jefferson, ed. Julian P. Boyd, vol. 12, p. 356 (1955).

A related idea was later expressed by Bertrand Barère de Vieuzac in a speech to the French national assembly, January 16, 1793: “L’arbre de la liberté… croît lorsqu’il est arrosé du sang de toute espèce de tyrans (The tree of liberty grows only when watered by the blood of tyrants),” Archives Parliamentaires de 1787 à 1860, vol. 57, p. 368 (1900).


Dream big or go home.

 

[matt1956]

I sadly see this country heading for a sort of "revolution" in my life time...

Not just because of issues like this... but every time our government passes a law because they think they know better then the people... seatblet laws, smoking bans, trasfat bans... and who knows what else they have planed. At what point will the people finally draw a line in the sand and say enough is enough.

For me... I will buy myself an AR and an Ak. And that line will be my front door step. Those that cross it, will be met with force. The founders of America very much believed in the ideas that the nation was to be ruled by the people. Unfortunately the people no longer have that rule. I for one refuse to back down and continue to allow our nation to trample the Constitution and the very fabric of what this nation was built on, and fought for with the blood and lives of our fore fathers, so that the sheep that want to be ruled can have their way.

Trust me, I am not some "anarcist" or David Keresh, or tim McVay. But I still think that allowing bans on this stuff violates the Constitution in every sence.

The drafters and signers didnt put it there so I could go duck hunting, they put it there so the government would always know that if they got out of line, that the people would have the ABILITY to rise up and regain control. So yes, there is a very strong NEED for "Military Style" weapons.

Again, that line will be my front door, and I pray for mercy for any representative of the government that crosses it.

 

[Shane]

We should all contact our representatives/senators in regard to an AR-15 ban. I already have.

 

[Twigg]

Renew your membership to GOAL today, perhaps donate a little bit more also !

 

[matt1956]

I'm going to take some time to write to;

Goal
NRA
and My local and state reps. for whatever good it will do.

 

[Ray P]

Renew your membership to GOAL today, perhaps donate a little bit more also !

I like the fact that GOA has a charity listing in the Combined Federal Campaign. I am donating to the cause; but with no magazine overhead (aka NRA). And I checked the anonymous box; so no daily mass mailing letters or calls.