if i have a LTC-A ALP, can i throw a hand gun with a trigger lock on it in a duffel bag or back pack and drive to the range? i drive a jeep so i dont have a "trunk" and i know the glove box does not count.
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Good. God.if i have a LTC-A ALP, can i throw a hand gun with a trigger lock on it in a duffel bag or back pack and drive to the range? i drive a jeep so i dont have a "trunk" and i know the glove box does not count.
Thank you
alright alright im seaching....jeez
Sorry for asking a question on a message board
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Or ask the guy you got your BFS certificate from.
really - you posted in the Mass law section but couldn't be bothered to read any of the sticky threads on the topic in the same forum...
Or ask the guy you got your BFS certificate from.
I know the glove box does not count.
Because the jury's determination concerning whether a locked glove box within a locked motor vehicle qualifies as a securely "locked container" was central to the defense, the judge should have offered additional guidance regarding the term's meaning.
Ignore the Junior Moderators.
That's not clear either.
From Commonwealth v Reyes, 464 Mass 245 (2013)
This does not resolve whether a locked glove compartment might be adequate under the storage statute. We are of the view that it might depending on the particular factual circumstances including the nature of the locking mechanism, whether the motor vehicle was also locked and alarmed, and ultimately whether in the circumstances it was adequate to “deter all but the most persistent from gaining access.” This is a question of fact, properly decided by the fact finder at trial.
Statutory and regulatory references to acceptable containers include safes,8 weapon boxes,9 locked cabinets,10 gun cases,11 lock boxes, and locked trunks of vehicles.12 A leading secondary source, Law Enforcement Guide to Firearms Law (20th ed. 2012), published by the Municipal Police Institute, Inc.,13 states that a securely locked container can include a soft gun case secured with a padlock, “as well as an expensive gun safe,” and that even “glass front furniture style gun cabinets are acceptable providing that they are capable of being locked.”
The defendant argues that the statute fails to make clear what qualifies as being “secured in a locked container,” leaving gun owners without guidance on how to store their firearms properly and law enforcement officials without criteria for knowing when the statute has been violated. Consequently, it is void for vagueness. We are not persuaded. The text, legislative history, related statutory and regulatory provisions, and other secondary materials reflect a common understanding at least as to a core set of containers that when used properly ensure gun owners that they are properly storing their firearms.
OK, trigger locks are out. How about cable locks?
Neeko,
What they mean by locked and secured for that section of the statutes is locked/secured so some wandering idiot can't come by and take it. A trigger lock would not prevent the wandering idiot from taking it.
I don't own a jeep. I was trying to help the OP understand he law.
Neeko,
What they mean by locked and secured for that section of the statutes is locked/secured so some wandering idiot can't come by and take it. A trigger lock would not prevent the wandering idiot from taking it.
Seriously? What's with all the piss and vinegar on this site. I was talking about using the legislative intent to help understand what was good enough.
Darn confusing. Up to now, I thought a trigger lock, unloaded, in a car, (out of sight ) was o.k. for transportation. (i.e. if you park your car in front of the post office to drop something off)Ignore the Junior Moderators.
The answer to your question is "No."
I drive a Jeep too, so I have the same problem. You can carry a handgun on you (loaded or unloaded) if you have an unrestricted LTC A. If not, or if you prefer not to carry it, you'll need to unload the gun and put it in a 'locked container'.
I put locked container in quotes because almost anything with a lock counts. If your duffel bag or backpack has a D-ring at the end of the zipper, you can put a luggage lock through the zipper and D-ring and you'll have a locked container.
There's no need to ever use a trigger lock during transport.
Seriously? What's with all the piss and vinegar on this site. I was talking about using the legislative intent to help understand what was good enough.
Darn confusing. Up to now, I thought a trigger lock, unloaded, in a car, (out of sight ) was o.k. for transportation.
Section 131C. (a) No person carrying a loaded firearm under a Class A license issued under section 131 or 131F shall carry the same in a vehicle unless such firearm while carried therein is under the direct control of such person. Whoever violates the provisions of this subsection shall be punished by a fine of $500.
(b) No person carrying a firearm under a Class B license issued under section 131 or 131F shall possess the same in a vehicle unless such weapon is unloaded and contained within the locked trunk of such vehicle or in a locked case or other secure container. Whoever violates the provisions of this subsection shall be punished by a fine of $500.
(c) No person possessing a large capacity rifle or shotgun under a Class A or Class B license issued under section 131 or 131F shall possess the same in a vehicle unless such weapon is unloaded and contained within the locked trunk of such vehicle or in a locked case or other secure container. Whoever violates the provisions of this subsection shall be punished by a fine of not less than $500 nor more than $5,000.
(d) The provisions of this section shall not apply to (i) any officer, agent or employee of the commonwealth or any state or the United States; (ii) any member of the military or other service of any state or of the United States; (iii) any duly authorized law enforcement officer, agent or employee of any municipality of the commonwealth; provided, however, that any such person described in clauses (i) to (iii), inclusive, is authorized by a competent authority to carry or possess the weapon so carried or possessed and is acting within the scope of his duties.
(e) A conviction of a violation of this section shall be reported forthwith by the court or magistrate to the licensing authority who shall immediately revoke the card or license of the person so convicted. No new such card or license may be issued to any such person until one year after the date of revocation.