Dorchester man pleads guilty to carrying a loaded gun at MBTA station

[Sauer Grapes]

Herd El was arrested on Nov. 26, 2020, why is his hearing scheduled for January 2, 2025? Why such a long gap of delay?

 

[Qwikdraw45]

"Due to several 2004 state convictions for possessing firearms without permits and other crimes, it is illegal for Herd El to possess firearms and ammunition, according to officials. "

Arrested for being a PP with firearms; the original conviction of which was for possessing firearms without permits. Very Kafkaesque.

 

[Parker Schreiber]

In a personal discussion with the MBTA police chief many years ago, he told me that there was no law or policy prohibiting carrying a firearm on any MBTA properties. Just be aware that there are prohibitions on carrying a firearm on Amtrak (Federal).

That may have changed. See:

Rider Rules and Regulations | Safety | MBTA

Official website of the MBTA -- schedules, maps, and fare information for Greater Boston's public transportation system, including subway, commuter rail, bus routes, and boat lines.

www.mbta.com

Quoting:
Riders cannot bring the following items into MBTA vehicles and stations:

• Dynamite
• Gasoline
• Gunpowder
• Fireworks
• Hoverboards
• Propane tanks
• Pure alcohol
• Uncovered oil or grease containers
• Weapons or firearms

So there is a policy. Whether there’s legal authority to enforce that policy I can’t say.

 

[Len-2A Training]

That may have changed. See:

Rider Rules and Regulations | Safety | MBTA

Official website of the MBTA -- schedules, maps, and fare information for Greater Boston's public transportation system, including subway, commuter rail, bus routes, and boat lines.

www.mbta.com

Quoting:
Riders cannot bring the following items into MBTA vehicles and stations:

• Dynamite
• Gasoline
• Gunpowder
• Fireworks
• Hoverboards
• Propane tanks
• Pure alcohol
• Uncovered oil or grease containers
• Weapons or firearms

So there is a policy. Whether there’s legal authority to enforce that policy I can’t say.

Interesting. There should be a CMR and I wouldn't doubt a change. If I still rode the MBTA, I would ignore that regardless.

 

[garandman]

What kinds of chemicals for explosives are people ordering online?

Mentioned in this article.

McLellan Street man arrested on gun charges in domestic-terrorism investigation | Dorchester Reporter

Federal agents on Thanksgiving arrested a man on gun charges and found various materials in his McLellan Street house that could be used to create explosives, the US Attorney's office reports, adding an investigation continues into his alleged "anti-government/anti-authority sovereign citizen...

www.dotnews.com

 

[namedpipes]

They sell the anarchist cookbook and other questionable literature at your local army surplus store and they accept cash!

Also, you can simply download it. But read for entertainment, not diy how-to. There are less painful ways to meet your maker.

 

[TheGreekFreak]

Jeez, the armor piercing rounds make it scarier. At least with regular rounds, everyone on the T wearing ballistic vests would have had a chance to survive if he started blasting!

 

[RIFLEMAN1000]

He should have carried a Glock 7 , you know the ceramic one that can get by metal detectors. As for the Bulletproof vest , instead of security his should have said Bomb Disposal Unit no one would question him .

 

[Mark from ?]

What kinds of chemicals for explosives are people ordering online?

Scotts Turf Builder at Walmart.com?

 

[alan226]

I'd like to know the method for positively identifying who is buying what online. Anyone can put in a fake name for the delivery and any address they choose, so say Barry Obama of Worcester bought some mags online using a vpn and had them delivered to Auburn and used a prepaid card there's very little to go by.

My guess is there are lists of PP's and their online purchase history is monitored. Obviously if they're buying mags and sights, it's not for collecting, not when Poly 80s have been out for a while.

Just a WAG, but I'll bet he bought stuff from overseas, the packages got inspected and here we are...

 

[Palladin]

Herd El was arrested on Nov. 26, 2020, why is his hearing scheduled for January 2, 2025? Why such a long gap of delay?

he plead guilty, he's being sentenced on Jan 2nd. he's been locked up since 2020

 

[Dennis in MA]

Armor piercing bullets???

Like Cahpkilluhz????

 

[Parker Schreiber]

Armor piercing bullets???

According to the indictment, 5 rounds of .40 were steel tipped. Under 18 USC 921(a)(17) that qualifies as AP.

 

[mpd61]

Interesting. There should be a CMR and I wouldn't doubt a change. If I still rode the MBTA, I would ignore that regardless.

I perused CMR 703.2 and others and couldn't find anything........Again, better call Ron the G!

 

[MisterHappy]

In a subsequent search of Herd El’s Dorchester apartment, investigators discovered another magazine loaded with armor-piercing rounds and saw various drawings of gun barrel designs, firearms suppressors, and bullets on the walls.

Nut job.

So....the poster of S&W Riot Control items makes me....different?

 

[Len-2A Training]

I perused CMR 703.2 and others and couldn't find anything........Again, better call Ron the G!

He and I don't talk to each other. It's been that way for ~10 yrs now.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

That may have changed. See:

Rider Rules and Regulations | Safety | MBTA

Official website of the MBTA -- schedules, maps, and fare information for Greater Boston's public transportation system, including subway, commuter rail, bus routes, and boat lines.

www.mbta.com

Quoting:
Riders cannot bring the following items into MBTA vehicles and stations:

• Dynamite
• Gasoline
• Gunpowder
• Fireworks
• Hoverboards
• Propane tanks
• Pure alcohol
• Uncovered oil or grease containers
• Weapons or firearms

So there is a policy. Whether there’s legal authority to enforce that policy I can’t say.

The posting does not say "except for off duty police", so it is obviuously not sufficiently detailed.

I doubt there is any crime they could get someone for if they violated a "rule" unless that also happened to violate a law (fireworks, DOT hazamt violations, etc.)

I've never heard of problems LTC holders have had for carrying legally on the T.

You really don't want to motivate T officials to view this as a "problem to be solved", which is what may happen if people keep writing in for clafication,

Find something real to worry about.

 

[Dennis in MA]

According to the indictment, 5 rounds of .40 were steel tipped. Under 18 USC 921(a)(17) that qualifies as AP.

Wait until they find out it's not armor piercing nor steel-tipped. Just some cop SAID SO and they just ran with it.

It's as bad as one gun seller once - I bought a used P226 that came with a hi-cap. Aftermarket hi-cap. Whomever bought it peeled the price sticker off and it was still sticky.

Gun seller. "Ow wow. This still has cosmoline on it."

Not some idiot clerk. At Marlboro gun show. THE OWNER OF THE FREAKING STORE said that to me. Like P226's were packed in cosmoline in the first place. Dumbass!

So a cop THINKING it's AP. I mean, can you even BUY steel-tipped 40 ammo in the US? Anywhere?

 

[Parker Schreiber]

Wait until they find out it's not armor piercing nor steel-tipped. Just some cop SAID SO and they just ran with it.

According to the allegations in the indictment, it was so determined by an (unnamed) "firearms expert" from the BATF. The indictment did not include a separate charge for the alleged AP.

So a cop THINKING it's AP. I mean, can you even BUY steel-tipped 40 ammo in the US? Anywhere?

Not as a "Civilian." I'm pretty sure Armscor did make it in the Philippines for military use, though.

 

[drgrant]

According to the indictment, 5 rounds of .40 were steel tipped. Under 18 USC 921(a)(17) that qualifies as AP.

I am betting they're actually not and it's just some retard overcharging.

 

[Dennis in MA]

40cal??? I'm trying to think why any manufacturer woudl make 40cal "armor piercing" bullets. I'm relateively sure the Phillies use 9mm, not 40. It's such an ODD combination.

 

[Parker Schreiber]

40cal??? I'm trying to think why any manufacturer would make 40cal "armor piercing" bullets. I'm relatively sure the Phillies use 9mm, not 40. It's such an ODD combination.

Because someone was willing to pay for them. While these aren't steel tipped, here's a South African listing for THV bullets in .40, which BATF would also define as armor piercing. At over $1 per bullet, not exactly cheap.

20 X 40 S&W 60gr THV Close Range, Ultra High Velocity Brass – Advanced Shooting Products

www.adv-sp.com

 

[Dennis in MA]

Yeah, I don't see some dude in Dot having the means to get it. THat's my issue. How many steel-tipped 40 rounds are in the US right now? 8? 200? Considering there is no useful purpose to them for LEO and "illegal" for civilians, it seems awful unlikely. That's all.

Plus I don't trust BPD or ATF. It isn't like they haven't lied before.

 

[RKG]

The headline of this thread is deceptive -- and inaccurate. The doer here was arrested because he had no LTC.

This issue came up publicly a few years ago, and the then Chief of the MBTA PD stated publicly that there was no restriction on carrying on the T by a duly licensed person.

 

[Len-2A Training]

The headline of this thread is deceptive -- and inaccurate. The doer here was arrested because he had no LTC.

This issue came up publicly a few years ago, and the then Chief of the MBTA PD stated publicly that there was no restriction on carrying on the T by a duly licensed person.

I also independently had that same conversation with that same MBTA Chief back when he was a speaker at one of my police associations many years ago.

 

[ridleyman]

In a subsequent search of Herd El’s Dorchester apartment, investigators discovered another magazine loaded with armor-piercing rounds and saw various drawings of gun barrel designs, firearms suppressors, and bullets on the walls.

Nut job.

Well, hopefully the MA legislature will finally ban drawings of gun barrel designs. They are very dangerous!