excav86700
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If you are a buyer does efa-10 count against your 4 a year
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excav86700
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Thank you guys
Marty McFly
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From what I understand it isn't valid but people still use it to cover their asses. I haven't bought or sold anything recently so I'm not sure what most are doing
Who knows!!!
Maybe it's a free for all and you can sell 100 guns this month.
You get to sell 4 guns a year so if you have sold none for 2024 - you can sell 4 this month.
But, without the state requiring records till 2026 - maybe some people will go wild!
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Got news for you....4 gun limit or not....some people never followed it and sold shit loads of guns. And I don't know anyone that got rung up on it ever.
Marty McFly
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Some people did get letters about it. Or was that a wives tale?
CrackPot
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It does not matter after the 10/2 bullshit (effective date of the new law. 8/1 is the grandfathering date written into the new 10/2 bullshit)
The new law references 121B for registering the gun to the buyer but 121B is not active yet and the state has 12 months from 10/2 to implement a new IT system that satisfies the requirements of 121B. The old FA10 system while still active, has NO enabling law requiring its use for recording transactions.
CrackPot
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sigh. NO. Nothing is registered to you. What a cop sees is every gun ever transacted to you. That is not registration. The new law we will have actual registration.
One person i met a few years back told me he did receive a letter when he exceeded the 4 gun limit.
The new law says the exiting efa10 portal is no longer a thing. That being said I've sold a few things since the law change and give the buyer the choice to do efa10 or BOS.
I take a picture of BOS and a ltc verification pdf ( good for 24 hours from point of inquiry) and retain that as my (sellers) record
I take a picture of BOS and a ltc verification pdf ( good for 24 hours from point of inquiry) and retain that as my (sellers) record
HARRYM
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FA-10 is a Federal Form is it not.....MA vacated a FED Form.......
Those that are filling out everything to cover their arses are the smart one in MA as this state is gonna screw someone badly over all these trucking and unclear changes.
Those that are filling out everything to cover their arses are the smart one in MA as this state is gonna screw someone badly over all these trucking and unclear changes.
HARRYM
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Am I confusing it with form 10?
HARRYM
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Are we not continuing to crawl into the semantical rabbit hole with this topic? The paper form is no longer required but the on-line recording is basically the same form but many are filling out the paper form out of a reasonable need to cover their ass in this state.
Mesatchornug
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The online form is no more either. It was a state invention and the new law doesn't recognize it. The paper form was supposed to be gone like a decade ago.
HARRYM
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So when you fill out the transaction on the new portal you use the invisible form and invisible fonts.
HARRYM
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Yes, that's the federal.
And the online portal is filing out "something" and the semantics over what it's called seem irrelevant. It's an on-line registration for criss sakes.
Mesatchornug
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The federal 4473 remains in force. It has nothing to do with any of this conversation.
The Massachusetts FA-10 (paper) was supplanted by the EFA-10 (digital) years ago. We were told the paper would not be accepted. People sent in paper forms and were told they aren't valid, and to repeat the process online.
The new law makes reference to a new registry that doesn't yet exist and removes all reference to the EFA-10.
You have no legal responsibility to do anything about the old (MA) forms, and no ability to do anything about the new system. People are doing what gives the the warm fuzzies.
HARRYM
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Record a private firearms sale or transfer
Use the Massachusetts Gun Transaction Portal to report a private firearms transaction in the Commonwealth.
Mesatchornug
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Yes. The state leaves up its portal. Even taking it down would require effort on their part.Record a private firearms sale or transfer
Use the Massachusetts Gun Transaction Portal to report a private firearms transaction in the Commonwealth.www.mass.gov
It doesn't change that there's no reference to it in the law any more.
HARRYM
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But there it is clearly spelled out on the page. A Lawyer for the state could easily say it's on the page and clearly a requirement.
Those who don't trust the State, and still do paper copies, aren't wrong in exercising this level of caution.
Mesatchornug
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That page isn't the law
As @Len-2A Training will attest, they knew the page wasn't even in line with the old law and did nothing about it.
They changed the law. We're responsible for following the law. We're not responsible for following not the law
HARRYM
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That involves me to trust the state to follow their own laws.
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