Efa-10 buyer

[paul73]

They changed the law. We're responsible for following the law. We're not responsible for following not the law

in the factual enforcement of 'guilty until proven innocent' the current situation may be problematic, if new registration database will be populated from old efa10 system frozen at some period of time, and any transactions not in it will be yours to provide a documentation for, to prove that you are indeed no longer in possession of a said item, and why.
as a burden of proof is always on the citizen, not on the government licensing body.

i am still waiting when they will start issuing new taxation measures on those new gun registrations. as i bet it was the main reason behind all this shit, to squeeze gun owners for money, and to squeeze as hard as possible.

 

[HARRYM]

I'm sure the Leftists will admit their error and treat MA gun sellers very fairly.

 

[Sf Becket]

 

[Sf Becket]

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I’m too much of a dork to figure out how to print the pdf file, anyway FWIW it says that you don’t have to register your firearms on the new portal if you already have done so on the current portal

 

[Mesatchornug]

I’m too much of a dork to figure out how to print the pdf file, anyway FWIW it says that you don’t have to register your firearms on the new portal if you already have done so on the current portal

It also says you don't have to put anything in until the new portal is ready... depends how you read it.

Anything anyone does right now is because that's what feels safest to them.

 

[Agnotology]

sigh. NO. Nothing is registered to you. What a cop sees is every gun ever transacted to you. That is not registration. The new law we will have actual registration.

Whereas efa10 was registration by another name.

 

[Rick O'Shea]

Wearing a mask while out grocery shopping makes some people feel safest.

 

[Amputee Marksman]

It also says you don't have to put anything in until the new portal is ready... depends how you read it.

Anything anyone does right now is because that's what feels safest to them.

So I purchased a firearm last week from a dealer here in MA. Had to complete 4473 and background check as expected. I also had to sign 2 copies of MA Form F.A.-10 Firearms Sales/Rental/Lease Transaction Form. One copy form them and one for me. It sure seems the dealers still have to complete all the paperwork.

The burden of filing an eFA-10 for private sales is on the seller. If I was selling a firearm these days in MA private sale I am absolutely going to file an eFA-10. If the buyer does not like it they can buy from someone else. It's a black hole and you can't know what is going to happen however if I sell then I have nothing to lose, except maybe a sale, and everything to gain by recording the transaction. I know I'm going to get some flack for this position however we all have to make decisions on what we will/will not do until things are settled and for me right now that's where I stand.

 

[Sf Becket]

So I purchased a firearm last week from a dealer here in MA. Had to complete 4473 and background check as expected. I also had to sign 2 copies of MA Form F.A.-10 Firearms Sales/Rental/Lease Transaction Form. One copy form them and one for me. It sure seems the dealers still have to complete all the paperwork.

The burden of filing an eFA-10 for private sales is on the seller. If I was selling a firearm these days in MA private sale I am absolutely going to file an eFA-10. If the buyer does not like it they can buy from someone else. It's a black hole and you can't know what is going to happen however if I sell then I have nothing to lose, except maybe a sale, and everything to gain by recording the transaction. I know I'm going to get some flack for this position however we all have to make decisions on what we will/will not do until things are settled and for me right now that's where I stand.

I agree, absolutely file the efa 10. My interpretation is that there is no obligation to input a second time all purchases when the new system comes out

 

[Mesatchornug]

Whereas efa10 was registration by another name.

As a write-only database, it really wasn't.

 

[Amputee Marksman]

I agree, absolutely file the efa 10. My interpretation is that there is no obligation to input a second time all purchases when the new system comes out

My rationale is very simple. Should I be in the position of Storm Troopers banging in my door and performing an inventory check I want anything I sold to be in the system as no longer in my possession.
Also I switch back forth between:
1. I'm old and have nothing to lose. Screw You, I will not comply. I dare you to arrest me and try to make a case.
2. I'm old. I've worked hard to save up enough money to get by better than most. I'll fill out a few forms and hope they leave me alone and I'll die soon enough so they don't have to worry about me.

 

[Mesatchornug]

I want anything I sold to be in the system as no longer in my possession.

Bearing in mind that this is not how the current system works...

 

[Sf Becket]

My rationale is very simple. Should I be in the position of Storm Troopers banging in my door and performing an inventory check I want anything I sold to be in the system as no longer in my possession.
Also I switch back forth between:
1. I'm old and have nothing to lose. Screw You, I will not comply. I dare you to arrest me and try to make a case.
2. I'm old. I've worked hard to save up enough money to get by better than most. I'll fill out a few forms and hope they leave me alone and I'll die soon enough so they don't have to worry about me.

I don’t really see PD going house to house in my neighborhood but I’m out in the sticks…In the bigger cities it might happen

 

[Amputee Marksman]

Bearing in mind that this is not how the current system works...

OK. What I really meant.

I want a "transfer from me to someone else" transaction in the system when I sell something private sale MA resident to MA resident.

 

[milktree]

The new law says the exiting efa10 portal is no longer a thing.

No, it doesn't. The new law makes no mention whatsoever of eFA10, FA10, or "report in writing". It doesn't mention eFA10 the same way it doesn't mention asking the chief of police for permission before buying a gun.

Are we not continuing to crawl into the semantical rabbit hole with this topic? The paper form is no longer required but the on-line recording is basically the same form but many are filling out the paper form out of a reasonable need to cover their ass in this state.

The on-line registration system (new law) does not exist yet, and we are not required to use it until it exists.

The old reporting system (eFA10 / FA10) does not exist in law anymore, and is not a requirement.

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Note the word "may" in question 8. You are not required to, but you can if you want.

So I purchased a firearm last week from a dealer here in MA. Had to complete 4473 and background check as expected. I also had to sign 2 copies of MA Form F.A.-10 Firearms Sales/Rental/Lease Transaction Form. One copy form them and one for me. It sure seems the dealers still have to complete all the paperwork.

Correction: "it sure seems the dealers are still using the old system" This is not the same as "have to".

The burden of filing an eFA-10 for private sales is was on the seller. If I was selling a firearm these days in MA private sale I am absolutely going to file an eFA-10. If the buyer does not like it they can buy from someone else. It's a black hole and you can't know what is going to happen however if I sell then I have nothing to lose, except maybe a sale, and everything to gain by recording the transaction. I know I'm going to get some flack for this position however we all have to make decisions on what we will/will not do until things are settled and for me right now that's where I stand.

You have every right to put whatever restrictions/constraints/requirements on a sale that you want, and if buyers don't like them, they can pound sand.

But that's not the same thing as a requirement. Some people won't take Venmo, cash only. Others don't even want a bill of sale, because "f*** the state". Others won't do face-to-face sales at all and insist on going through a dealer.