Not really. If we’re talking about whether a personally submitted FA-10 determines whether a lower was a rifle first, then that’s pretty clear. It doesn’t.
And whether an FFL can look up FA-10 submissions, the answer again is a clear no.
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Can FFL’s check to see if a lower that was bought in a private sale has been EFA 10’d
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Not really. If we’re talking about whether a personally submitted FA-10 determines whether a lower was a rifle first, then that’s pretty clear. It doesn’t.
And whether an FFL can look up FA-10 submissions, the answer again is a clear no.
Yes, you can.
Get yourself a copy of the MIRCs database from the "leak", plug in the SN of your firearm.
"But Drix22, they took it down and put up a new SNless database! "
No, no they did not. They unlinked the original database from their website, but it's still hosted.
But that isn't what you wrote, you didn't say to only not listen to the posts saying to ignore the law, you said don't listen to anything in the thread. That and you didn't even offer any advice as to how to keep it legal which is exactly what the op was requesting.
Why didn't you just point out what you perceived as bad instead of a such a broadly sweeping accusation? Makes it appear that all the responses here wrong and shouldn't be followed.
Do you know something about this that no one else here does? Please elaborate, educate me on the errors in my response, if I'm wrong I'd like to know...
No?
I dunno, maybe you're one of those knee jerk commandos all to common here that comment without half reading past the first couple responses?
Just makes it sound like you don't have a clue and are in fact bloviating yet more poor advice that only serves to further confuse the issue...
After ch135, building an AR pistol from an 8/1 lower isn't about Ma law, it's about federal law.
Not quite there, even.
Can one of you guys even post me a federal case where a non-dealer got indicted for changing the type of a title one firearm from one thing to another? more specifically something involving an AR-15 lower? Probably not, because it doesn't happen. Because it's impossible/difficult.
After the feds changed the way they treat lowers ("all lowers are others" they basically have no quarter to prosecute anybody on it.... what you guys are talking about given the typical rule of leniency and so on no jury is going to convict somebody of that..... especially if they're not otherwise disqualified from owning that firearm.
The idea of somebody actually getting prosecuted for mutating a title one firearm from one status to another is pretty silly to begin with is especially retarded with an AR-15 lower that crossed books as an other.
Worrying about this is the mental equivalent of punching yourself in the dick.
pdm
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So what you're saying is, that old Spike's Tactical lower that I have sitting in the box I bought it in over a decade ago can be built out as a pistol without me shitting my pants?Not quite there, even.
Can one of you guys even post me a federal case where a non-dealer got indicted for changing the type of a title one firearm from one thing to another? more specifically something involving an AR-15 lower? Probably not, because it doesn't happen. Because it's impossible/difficult.
After the feds changed the way they treat lowers ("all lowers are others" they basically have no quarter to prosecute anybody on it.... what you guys are talking about given the typical rule of leniency and so on no jury is going to convict somebody of that..... especially if they're not otherwise disqualified from owning that firearm.
The idea of somebody actually getting prosecuted for mutating a title one firearm from one status to another is pretty silly to begin with is especially retarded with an AR-15 lower that crossed books as an other.
Worrying about this is the mental equivalent of punching yourself in the dick.
Correct, the ffl that did the 4473 should have marked the lower as "other" which allows you to build it as a pistol or rifle. What you ef10 it as is meaningless. Efa10'ing it as a rifle doesn't make it a rifle in the eyes of atf neither does Efa10'ing into a pistol make it a pistol in the eyes of atf. The atf doesn't give a shit about any MGL with respects to determining a lower is a rifle or pistol
VTski4x4
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Yeah I should have been more specific. Kinda answered a question that wasn't asked. Oops
Marty McFly
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Free men don't ask permission
pdm
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OK good. I'll just shit my pants a little for old time's sake then.
I think you’re completely losing it, to be honest. Im stating that the OP should ignore people telling him to ignore the legality of the situation. It’s that simple. If you have a problem with that, I can’t help you. If you can’t see clear examples of people suggesting to ignore the legality, prior to my post, you’re either challenged or dishonest. Either way, I don’t have time for useless comments like yours. Enjoy your night.
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^^ This. I remember registering a lower as a 300AAC pistol in July of 2016 because every thing was up in the air and conflicting advice was coming from everywhere. I ended up building it as an SBR in 2019 and frankly it meant nothing to anybody. I'm pretty much of the opinion that firearms laws in MA are created for 2 reasons. (1) Make Moms Demand happy so politicians can post nice things on your websites about how safe they are making their progressive constituents and (2) threaten FFL's with impending doom to control their behavior. For the rest of us it is meaningless.
CrackPot
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^^^^ Re-read this and listen. ^^^^Not quite there, even.
Can one of you guys even post me a federal case where a non-dealer got indicted for changing the type of a title one firearm from one thing to another? more specifically something involving an AR-15 lower? Probably not, because it doesn't happen. Because it's impossible/difficult.
After the feds changed the way they treat lowers ("all lowers are others" they basically have no quarter to prosecute anybody on it.... what you guys are talking about given the typical rule of leniency and so on no jury is going to convict somebody of that..... especially if they're not otherwise disqualified from owning that firearm.
The idea of somebody actually getting prosecuted for mutating a title one firearm from one status to another is pretty silly to begin with is especially retarded with an AR-15 lower that crossed books as an other.
Worrying about this is the mental equivalent of punching yourself in the dick.
What matters is how the gun came from the MANUFACTURER, not what someone did after it left the original manufacturer. If the ATF wants to nail you for a "firearm made from a rifle" violation w/o a SBR tax stamp, they will do a trace and find how the gun left the factory. If it left as a rifle, you are fcked. If it left as a lower or pistol or other, you are fine.
FA10 database is irrelevant for ALL purposes. I challenge anyone to come up with a basis for the FA10 database having any legal standing on any legal issue, particularly federal. Even the state cant use the database for state level stuff since it is fundamentally corrupt and incomplete and can be shown to be corrupt and incomplete thereby giving reasonable doubt to any/all potential consequences.
The ways people want to tie themselves into knots solving problems that don't exist so they can infringe on their own rights...
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