Efa-10 private transfers inquiry

[Glonkguy]

If I am out of person to person private transfer but I want to trade a firearm to an FFL dealer, for another one does this section (highlighted) count towards your 4 a year.
Dealers are often men of few words, just stated for the trade he would just add it to his inventory in a transfer, but I’m not looking to find out what happens when you go over your 4 limit. And not to sure what that mean

Tyia

 

[PappyM3]

If I am out of person to person private transfer but I want to trade a firearm to an FFL dealer, for another one does this section (highlighted) count towards your 4 a year.
Dealers are often men of few words, just stated for the trade he would just add it to his inventory in a transfer, but I’m not looking to find out what happens when you go over your 4 limit. And not to sure what that mean

Tyia

No, it doesn’t count towards your 4 per calendar year, because you’re transferring to a dealer.

But note that you don’t even need to do FA-10s anymore. There currently is no implementation of the new law’s system yet. Though it doesn’t hurt to do an FA-10 as, essentially, a receipt.

 

[clampett]

But note that you don’t even need to do FA-10s anymore. There currently is no implementation of the new law’s system yet. Though it doesn’t hurt to do an FA-10 as, essentially, a receipt.

So, if sometime in the future, someone from the government knocks on my door and asks me about some of my firearms, I could just say that I sold them and I don't have any documentation or records about who I sold them to. If I did that, I wouldn't be in any trouble?

 

[Drix]

. Though it doesn’t hurt to do an FA-10 as, essentially, a receipt.

No police force is going to accept efa10 paperwork as a receipt, I've been there.

 

[PappyM3]

So, if sometime in the future, someone from the government knocks on my door and asks me about some of my firearms, I could just say that I sold them and I don't have any documentation or records about who I sold them to. If I did that, I wouldn't be in any trouble?

Who said that? In an ideal world though, yeah that should be fine. Let the state try to prove what they want. In the real world in Massachusetts, I wouldn’t make that assumption.

No police force is going to accept efa10 paperwork as a receipt, I've been there.

It’s an official Massachusetts form documenting transfer of ownership. It’s more official than a hand-jammed bill of sale.

If the cops you dealt with didn’t accept it, then there are other problems going on and I doubt they would have accepted a bill of sale either.

 

[Rick O'Shea]

Not having paperwork handy that could complicate things is how I roll. I refuse to crap myself about keeping efa 10 receipts.

 

[Mark from ?]

So, if sometime in the future, someone from the government knocks on my door and asks me about some of my firearms, I could just say that I sold them and I don't have any documentation or records about who I sold them to. If I did that, I wouldn't be in any trouble?

Thats how a free state works.

If you are in MA, the future, if they get the registration system implemented.... you will have to register every firearm you own as part of the new law, and there are or will be likely penalties for not doing so, and the government will be keeping documentation of your purchase and sales records.

 

[Glonkguy]

No, it doesn’t count towards your 4 per calendar year, because you’re transferring to a dealer.

But note that you don’t even need to do FA-10s anymore. There currently is no implementation of the new law’s system yet. Though it doesn’t hurt to do an FA-10 as, essentially, a receipt.

i am trading in a nonroster handsystem lol, any advice on how to ensure the transfer on the dealer end is done correctly, i am going to ask to see to make sure. REALLY not trying to find out what happens when you go over 4. if its anything else besides a transfer from me to an FFL number/business name, should i walk out?

 

[Picton]

There currently is no implementation of the new law’s system yet. Though it doesn’t hurt to do an FA-10 as, essentially, a receipt.

This.

I don't think there's any reason, any longer, to even worry about the four-a-year thing.

 

[Agnotology]

This.

I don't think there's any reason, any longer, to even worry about the four-a-year thing.

If you don't mind me picking your brain for a bit, what brings you to this conclusion? @dan1237 would be interested in this as well I believe.

 

[Picton]

If you don't mind me picking your brain for a bit, what brings you to this conclusion? @dan1237 would be interested in this as well I believe.

There's no longer a requirement for an EFA10, and the EFA10 was the way the gestapo Commonwealth knew you'd done more than four transfers.

No EFA10, no worry about how many transactions you do.

 

[Agnotology]

There's no longer a requirement for an EFA10, and the EFA10 was the way the gestapo Commonwealth knew you'd done more than four transfers.

No EFA10, no worry about how many transactions you do.

Fair enough.

 

[Glonkguy]

There's no longer a requirement for an EFA10, and the EFA10 was the way the gestapo Commonwealth knew you'd done more than four transfers.

No EFA10, no worry about how many transactions you do.

Have you ever heard of anyone going over 4 and what their punishment was lol

 

[zevana]

There's no longer a requirement for an EFA10, and the EFA10 was the way the gestapo Commonwealth knew you'd done more than four transfers.

No EFA10, no worry about how many transactions you do.

You have no guarantee the buyer won’t Efa10 it as a registration after the fact. If it was efa10’d to you, that’s still something that can be flagged.

Will the state dig into it? Very unlikely.

 

[MaroonedinMA]

Have you ever heard of anyone going over 4 and what their punishment was lol

I went over once (7+ years ago). Never heard anything.

 

[HARRYM]

I would like to ask a question if I may.

What is understood better:

A. The answer to if space is really infinite or not.

B. The answer to does anyone actually know and understand Massachusetts gun Laws in their entirety.

 

[LTCRN]

I went over once (7+ years ago). Never heard anything.

How about 15 plus? No problem!

 

[PappyM3]

Have you ever heard of anyone going over 4 and what their punishment was lol

Never heard of a case. But maybe @nstassel has.

As for possible punishments, the exemption for up to 4 private sales per year is located in ch140 section 128A:

General Law - Part I, Title XX, Chapter 140, Section 128A

malegislature.gov

Section 128 is what you’re being exempted from:

General Law - Part I, Title XX, Chapter 140, Section 128

malegislature.gov

…shall be punished by a fine of not less than $1,000 nor more than $10,000, or by imprisonment for not less than one year nor more than ten years, or by both such fine and imprisonment.

 

[PappyM3]

I went over once (7+ years ago). Never heard anything.

Thank god for statutes of limitation!

 

[Sf Becket]

The way I see it is everyone will probably just want or have to go through an FFL

 

[zevana]

Never heard of a case. But maybe @nstassel has.

As for possible punishments, the exemption for up to 4 private sales per year is located in ch140 section 128A:

General Law - Part I, Title XX, Chapter 140, Section 128A

malegislature.gov

Section 128 is what you’re being exempted from:

General Law - Part I, Title XX, Chapter 140, Section 128

malegislature.gov

…shall be punished by a fine of not less than $1,000 nor more than $10,000, or by imprisonment for not less than one year nor more than ten years, or by both such fine and imprisonment.

Even if you get the lower end of that, a $1000 fine, being a prohibited person would suck.

 

[HorizontalHunter]

I went over once (7+ years ago). Never heard anything.

I know someone who mailed 5 in the same envelope back in the day before EFA10’s. Not a peep.

 

[HARRYM]

The way I see it is everyone will probably just want or have to go through an FFL

See....I think you are in the right neighborhood, perhaps not the right door but the right neighborhood. The State has plans to drive the FFLs out of business. Force private sales to FFLs....get FFLs to say No Mas.....and the State gets to say....what.....we didn't ban anything.

 

[nstassel]

Never heard of a case. But maybe @nstassel has.

As for possible punishments, the exemption for up to 4 private sales per year is located in ch140 section 128A:

General Law - Part I, Title XX, Chapter 140, Section 128A

malegislature.gov

Section 128 is what you’re being exempted from:

General Law - Part I, Title XX, Chapter 140, Section 128

malegislature.gov

…shall be punished by a fine of not less than $1,000 nor more than $10,000, or by imprisonment for not less than one year nor more than ten years, or by both such fine and imprisonment.

I only know of one being charged but since it's a felony without district court jurisdiction i doubt it will be indicted.

 

[Picton]

You have no guarantee the buyer won’t Efa10 it as a registration after the fact. If it was efa10’d to you, that’s still something that can be flagged.

Will the state dig into it? Very unlikely.

Not "very unlikely." I'd use the term "unimaginable, given the resources the state has [not] provided for this sort of thing."

Seriously, if that's your (not yours personally, just using the generic your) level of worry, you're probably too skittish to be doing FTF transfers in this state, anyway. Might even be too skittish to be a MA gun-owner in the first place. As anyone posting here should know, it's a big-boy-pants activity in this state.

 

[HARRYM]

Not "very unlikely." I'd use the term "unimaginable, given the resources the state has [not] provided for this sort of thing."

Seriously, if that's your (not yours personally, just using the generic your) level of worry, you're probably too skittish to be doing FTF transfers in this state, anyway. Might even be too skittish to be a MA gun-owner in the first place. As anyone posting here should know, it's a big-boy-pants activity in this state.

Big Bucks survive many years due to being "skittish".......gun owners living in Communist States should adapt the same behavior.

 

[MaroonedinMA]

Thank god for statutes of limitation!

Funny thing about that...huh?

 

[Glonkguy]

The way I see it is everyone will probably just want or have to go through an FFL

Problem is they can’t, most guns at least pistols are non roster and FFL’s don’t want to take in non roster stuff because they can not sell it or consign it. So unless they take it In to sell out of state. FFL’s won’t want to.

 

[Mark from ?]

Problem is they can’t, most guns at least pistols are non roster and FFL’s don’t want to take in non roster stuff because they can not sell it or consign it. So unless they take it In to sell out of state. FFL’s won’t want to.

Talking transfers here....FFL's technically can't legally transfer non roster guns. Leaving the owners essentially stuck with it, or selling/transfering it out of state to an FFL.
So these non roster people have to do FA-10's.

I was fairly amazed they still allow personal transfer in the new bill I believe.

 

[Glonkguy]

You’re an FFL?
And yes that’s my problem. I am out of private sales and have a staccato p I’m looking to get rid of in search of a staccato xc… obviously a dealer can’t take it in and sell it etc.