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Win said:
I'm confused by the last sentence. I'd like a Freedom Arms SA revolver which I can't purchase in MA because of the AG List. Am I missing something?
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My point is this I don't want a freedom arms revolver so if its on the AG list why do I care (compromise)RIGHT! I understand that Mass sucks but how did we get here ?

As for the AWB it was a compromise
 
rchap36 said:
How did we get the AWB ? we compromise!!!!
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"They" don't need our compromise to get an AWB or anything else. The only thing holding them back is they know that they may lose something that is too over the top in Fed court. Our rights have nothing to do with what goes on up there on the hill. We would need all 300,000 gun owners in GOAL and actively working against these bills in order to have a realistic chance taking a no compromise stance. I wish that this was the case.


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Just because you don't want to compromise doesn't mean your a chest thumper. I'm tired of people saying that on here.

Do you know how a compromise works? What they are doing is not a compromise. A compromise is not agree to this and we won't bone you to hard on this. A compromise would be something like; FID will be change to may issue, but we will repeal the AWB.






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mattyw said:
do we have enough angry and annoying constituents to stall for 22 more days?

now is a good time to find who (if anyone) is running against your rep and mention them in your calls/letters about this
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Found my rep on this site, http://ballotpedia.org/Sean_Garballey. In 2012 he was unopposed in the primary, and won the general election with 81%. This tactic might be effective for those that faced more competition, but wouldn't be recommended in this case right?
 
rchap36 said:
Mike we can compromise : leave the 1 year BS in there it will not hurt me 2 add no more then 10 rounds I only shoot revolvers 3 keep background checks for all fire arm sales I have never sold FTF AND AS A SIDE NOTE KEEP THE AWB AND THE AG LIST (I like revolvers anyways)
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You're trying to be sarcastic, right?

If not, I need to remind you about this excellent poem:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.​
 
(iii) is or has been: (a) except in the case of a commitment pursuant to section 35 or 36C of chapter 123, confined to any hospital or institution for mental illness, alcohol or substance abuse, unless after 5 years from the date of the confinement, the applicant submits with his or her application an affidavit of a registered physician attesting that such physician is familiar with the applicant's mental illness, alcohol or substance abuse and that in such physician's opinion the applicant is not disabled by such a mental illness, alcohol or substance abuse in a manner that should prevent the applicant from possessing a firearm, rifle or shotgun; (b) committed by an order of a court to any hospital or institution for mental illness, unless the applicant was granted a petition for relief of the court’s order pursuant to section 36C of chapter 123 and submits a copy of the order for relief with his or her application; (c) subject to an order of the probate court appointing a guardian or conservator for a incapacitated person on the grounds that that applicant lacks the mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs, unless the applicant was granted a petition for relief pursuant to section 56C of chapter 215 and submits a copy of the order for relief with his or her application; or (d) found to be a substance abuser or alcoholic and committed pursuant to section 35 of said chapter 123, unless the applicant was granted a petition for relief of the court’s order pursuant to said section 35 and submits a copy of the order for relief with his or her application;

(iv) is at the time of the application less than 15 years of age;

(v) is at the time of the application more than 15 but less than 18 years of age, unless the applicant submits with his application a certificate of his parent or guardian granting the applicant permission to apply for a card;

(vi) is an alien;

Can someone interpret that?





Looks like licenses will remain valid indefinitley so long as an application for renewal has been made.
(9) A firearm identification card shall be valid, unless revoked or suspended, for a period of not more than 6 years from the date of issue, except that if the cardholder applied for renewal before the card expired, the card shall remain valid after the expiration date on the card for all lawful purposes, until the application for renewal is approved or denied; provided, however, if the cardholder is on active duty with the armed forces of the United States on the expiration date of his card, the card shall remain valid until the cardholder is released from active duty and for a period not less than 180 days following such release, except that if the cardholder applied for renewal prior to the end of such period, the card shall remain valid after the expiration date on the card for all lawful purposes, until the application for renewal is approved or denied.
 
I am reading through the new bill now and am trying to sum up the bullet points for each section as best I can.
 
The part about May issue to a gun club for storage of high capacity magazines and rifles is scary.
It seems like it is a left over from Linsky's bill.
ggboy
 
Any applicant or holder aggrieved by a denial, revocation, suspension or any restriction placed on a license, unless a hearing has previously been held pursuant to chapter 209A, may, within either 90 days after receiving notice of such denial, revocation or suspension or within 90 days after the expiration of the time limit during which the licensing authority is required to respond to the applicant or, in the case of a restriction, anytime after a restriction is placed on license pursuant to this section, file a petition to obtain judicial review in the district court having jurisdiction in the city or town wherein the applicant filed for, or was issued, such license. A justice of such court, after a hearing, may direct that a license be issued or reinstated to the petitioner or may order the licensing authority to remove certain restrictions placed on the license, if such justice finds that there was no reasonable ground for denying, suspending, revoking or restricting such license and that the petitioner is not prohibited by law from possessing a license.


Judicial review now applicable to restrictions?
 
(d) Any person residing or having a place of business within the jurisdiction of the licensing authority or any law enforcement officer employed by the licensing authority or any person residing in an area of exclusive federal jurisdiction located within a city or town may submit to such licensing authority or the colonel of state police, an application for a Class A license to carry firearms, or renewal of the same, which such licensing authority or said colonel may issue if it appears that the applicant is not a prohibited person as hereinafter set forth to be issued such license, and that the applicant has good reason to fear injury to his person or property, or for any other reason, including the carrying of firearms for use in sport or target practice only, subject to such restrictions expressed or authorized under this section. A prohibited person shall be a person who:


How will this play out?
 
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SECTION 24. Paragraph (7) of said section 129B of said chapter 140, as so appearing, is hereby amended by striking out the first sentence and inserting in place thereof the following sentence:- A firearm identification card shall be in a standard form provided by the commissioner of the department of criminal justice information services in a size and shape equivalent to that of a license to operate motor vehicles issued by the registry of motor vehicles pursuant to section 8 of chapter 90 and shall contain an identification number, name, address, photograph, fingerprint, place and date of birth, height, weight, hair color, eye color and signature of the cardholder and shall be marked “Firearm Identification Card” and shall provide in a legible font size and style the phone numbers for the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline and the Samaritans Statewide Helpline.

and:

SECTION 37. Paragraph (g) of said section 131 of said chapter 140, as so appearing, is hereby amended by striking out the first and second sentences and inserting in place thereof the following 2 sentences:-

A license shall be in a standard form provided by the commissioner of criminal justice information services in a size and shape equivalent to that of a license to operate motor vehicles issued by the registry of motor vehicles pursuant to section 8 of chapter 90 and shall contain a license number which shall clearly indicate the name, address, photograph, fingerprint, place and date of birth, height, weight, hair color, eye color and signature of the licensee. Such license shall be clearly marked “License to Carry Firearms”.

I just got m LTC renewed in April, and it does NOT have my fingerprint on it.
 
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dennism said:
Any applicant or holder aggrieved by a denial, revocation, suspension or any restriction placed on a license, unless a hearing has previously been held pursuant to chapter 209A, may, within either 90 days after receiving notice of such denial, revocation or suspension or within 90 days after the expiration of the time limit during which the licensing authority is required to respond to the applicant or, in the case of a restriction, anytime after a restriction is placed on license pursuant to this section, file a petition to obtain judicial review in the district court having jurisdiction in the city or town wherein the applicant filed for, or was issued, such license. A justice of such court, after a hearing, may direct that a license be issued or reinstated to the petitioner or may order the licensing authority to remove certain restrictions placed on the license, if such justice finds that there was no reasonable ground for denying, suspending, revoking or restricting such license and that the petitioner is not prohibited by law from possessing a license.


Judicial review now applicable to restrictions?
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i wonder how much of this "restriction meandering kakamania" is secondary to the Davis v Grimes case? The entire restriction system is bull$hit and I want to see a federal judge stomp on it.

any attempts to compromise on the restrictions should be avoided. They want to play more games, continue restricting everyone and make it almost impossible to fight while also preventing it from being examined at the federal level. Pigs on Beacon Hill can go screw themselves.
 
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(c) A violation of this section shall be punished, in the case of a rifle or shotgun that is not a large capacity weapon and such weapon was stored or kept in a place where a person under the age of 18 who does not possess a valid firearm identification card issued under section 129B may have access without committing an unforeseeable trespass, by a fine of not less than $2,500 nor more than $15,000 or by imprisonment for not less than 1 and 1/2 years nor more than 12 years, or by both fine and imprisonment.




Let you kid access a firearm and go to jail for 12 years.
 
OK, flame away but I'm having a hard time seeing anything especially heinous in there. (Granted it was just a quick read so I may have missed something.)
 
jasons said:
OK, flame away but I'm having a hard time seeing anything especially heinous in there. (Granted it was just a quick read so I may have missed something.)
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Not sure if this is new but it is something.


(c) A violation of this section shall be punished, in the case of a rifle or shotgun that is not a large capacity weapon and such weapon was stored or kept in a place where a person under the age of 18 who does not possess a valid firearm identification card issued under section 129B may have access without committing an unforeseeable trespass, by a fine of not less than $2,500 nor more than $15,000 or by imprisonment for not less than 1 and 1/2 years nor more than 12 years, or by both fine and imprisonment.
 
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