Gun Violence report in the hands of DeLeo

[mattyw]

Elections coming up in November, this will pass this session, in some shape or form. The MA progressives wouldn't earn their Constitution Fire Starting merit badges if they delayed until the next session. There's a long walk for any bill to become law, and the session's over 31July. I'd guess we have about 2-3 weeks, max, to get the "best" bill possible, through amendments. Then time's up, pencils down. That inevitability is probably what got DeLeo's bill out of committee so fast.

while I generally agree, we do tend to overlook the fact that MA legislature is woefully inefficient even on it's better days.

not making the deadline would be pretty funny, especially since it would be due to the bill being proposed with so many holes and uncertainties

 

[MA_Shooter]

while I generally agree, we do tend to overlook the fact that MA legislature is woefully inefficient even on it's better days.

not making the deadline would be pretty funny, especially since it would be due to the bill being proposed with so many holes and uncertainties

In previous years they got distracted with other things like the Casino Bill...may not get so lucky this time. And it's a platform they all can use for re-election.

 

[Len-2A Training]

The only thing we know for sure is that the committee put it through with no amendments, whether or not DeLeo had a hand in that is speculation.

That's not going to happen, not with Fat Bob cracking the whip

QFT

 

[PaulD]

Getting back to "Naughton" during the state wide "Listening Tour". it is quite evident that he used tax payers money to conduct that tour which was nothing more than a way for him to get is face out all over the state as he prepared to run for AG.

indeed.

 

[mattyw]

indeed.

and friends and connections that people like DeLeo can set you up with would certainly come in handy for a prospective attorney general

 

[Len-2A Training]

Getting back to "Naughton" during the state wide "Listening Tour". it is quite evident that he used tax payers money to conduct that tour which was nothing more than a way for him to get is face out all over the state as he prepared to run for AG.

IIRC I pointed out that at N. Attleboro, NOBODY was taking notes at the "listening tour", which made me think that everything we said was going in one ear and out the other . . . wrt ALL legistraitors present!!

DeLeo and Naughton just proved me right . . . sadly.

 

[OfficerObie59]

I'm so lost. It seems like all the reps are from the eastern part of the state. Where are all the central mass and western mass reps? Are they on different committees and can't vote on this till it comes there way?

It's all that in-crowd/out-crowd stuff I was telling you guys about earlier.

 

[Paul455]

A friend of mine was a long time state rep.

He crossed DeLeo, and was stripped of all his appointments, and moved to a basement office.

All the Dems are in lock step with the agenda, and no one will stand up for an opposing view.

That is what happens in a one party state.

 

[drgrant]

Getting back to "Naughton" during the state wide "Listening Tour". it is quite evident that he used tax payers money to conduct that tour which was nothing more than a way for him to get is face out all over the state as he prepared to run for AG.

Yeah, it's pretty obvious now that all that BS was just this.....

 

[jasons]

Yeah, it's pretty obvious now that all that BS was just this.....

It was obvious then too. The entire legislative process is. Doesn't mean we can't toss a few cats into the ring though.

 

[xcom]

It was obvious then too. The entire legislative process is. Doesn't mean we can't toss a few cats into the ring though.

Let's not start a cat thread again.

 

[K9-Ex]

Just posted from GOAL----- Please join us - take a stand against H.4121! Info: http://goal.org/rally-against-h4121-june18-2014.html

 

[jefftk]

Just posted from GOAL----- Please join us - take a stand against H.4121! Info: http://goal.org/rally-against-h4121-june18-2014.html

June 18th.
We will look awfully silly out there if the bill gets rammed through before then

 

[TheTrueQuaid]

Still calling Reps. Most go right to V-Mail.

 

[Mike S]

June 18th.
We will look awfully silly out there if the bill gets rammed through before then

If it does we hold them accountable for their votes, or thank them if they voted against.

 

[sbi]

If it does we hold them accountable for their votes, or thank them if they voted against.

Who and how can you hold accountable in a state with no opposition?! They look at us, they hear us, they laugh at us and then they pull their finger out of their ass to check wind direction and they piss on us downwind.

 

[rogues]

Who's bringing the Guy Fawkes masks?

 

[jasons]

Who and how can you hold accountable in a state with no opposition?! They look at us, they hear us, they laugh at us and then they pull their finger out of their ass to check wind direction and they piss on us downwind.

Many are running opposed in the next cycle, including Naughton.

 

[Paul455]

From the Boston Herald:

House lawmakers who signed off on DeLeo’s bill, aside from Naughton, included Reps. Alan Silvia (D-Fall River), Brian Ashe (D-Longmeadow), Michael Brady (D-Brockton), Linda Campbell (D-Methuen), and Sean Curran (D-Springfield). They were joined by Sen. Sonia Chang-Diaz (D-Jamaica Plain).

House lawmakers who voted against the bill included Reps. Cleon Turner (D-Dennis), David Vieira (R-East Falmouth), and Nicholas Boldyga (R-Southwick). They were joined by Sens. Timilty, Michael Moore (D-Millbury) and James Welch (D-West Springfield).

Three lawmakers reserved their rights: Reps. James Dwyer (D-Woburn), Brian Mannal (D-Barnstable) and Sen. Richard Ross (R-Wrentham).
A motion to reconsider the bill, made by Rep. Boldyga, failed on a 6-10 vote. The six who voted for reconsideration were Boldyga, Turner, Vieira, Moore, Timilty and Ross.

 

[WatchCityCPA]

The ONLY way to teach a politician a lesson is to kick them out or at least make them sweat a re-election.

Unless you go donate to and volunteer for their opposition and make the freedom haters pay, all the calling/letter writing means NOTHING - merely teaching them that you bark loudly but have no bite.

Go put your hard earned dollars and whatever time you can spare into biting a few MA politicians where it hurts them - at the ballot box.

 

[cekim]

The ONLY way to teach a politician a lesson is to kick them out or at least make them sweat a re-election.

Unless you go donate to and volunteer for their opposition and make the freedom haters pay, all the calling/letter writing means NOTHING - merely teaching them that you bark loudly but have no bite.

Go put you dollars and hours into biting a few MA politicians where it hurts them - at the ballot box.

and their fund-raisers.

 

[Quiet]

Hold them accountable. lol

We have a lobbying organization that is so far behind the 8 ball that it doesn't know when votes are happening. It has no respect from the leadership and no sources in the legislature that will give them a heads up. It can't mount an effective campaign to deal with major legislation once every 16 years.

We have manufacturers that don't have a trade/lobby organization. We have retailers that don't have an effective trade/lobby organization. We have owners who don't have an effective lobbying organization. We send money off to a national organization that offers no help.

Yeah, let's hold them accountable.

But which "them" are you talking about? I think you mean "us".

 

[cekim]

Hold them accountable. lol

We have a lobbying organization that is so far behind the 8 ball that it doesn't know when votes are happening. It has no respect from the leadership and no sources in the legislature that will give them a heads up.

The timing of the vote was known, but you have to be a "made man" to get the results before they want you to...

 

[Quiet]

The timing of the vote was known, but you have to be a "made man" to get the results before they want you to...

When did they know the vote was happening? Two days before? One day before? When it had already started and was open until the next day?

 

[Alchemist17]

The only hitch I could see in the above is if they get rid of paper FA10's, can you do a registration only eFA10? I don't know.

I had talked to Timilty about an amendment that would exempt 03FFL's from "the list" hope he attaches it to the bill

You don't need to register on an FA10. The law for private purchases explicitly states that it is on a form specified by the government. No such wording exists for the registration requirement - it only states that you need to provide the information, nothing about a specific form. Sure, it's easier for them if you do, but the law doesn't require it of you.

 

[cekim]

When did they know the vote was happening? Two days before? One day before? When it had already started and was open until the next day?

I doubt anyone knew 2 days before other than DeLeo and/or Naughton - two days prior would be Wed after the hearings...

I first heard when it started, I honestly don't know if anyone was told prior.

There is no 8-ball in this state. There is one man that wields the power of King and it is not the Governor. It is no accident so many of his predecessors have gone to the big-house when they were done.

 

[center442]

I suspect that this "reserving the right to vote" is part of parliamentary tactics. Depending on committee rules, it may be that someone on a losing side of a vote cannot make a motion for reconsideration, but someone who "wins" or "reserves their right to vote" may make a motion for reconsideration. I don't really understand what the benefit of this tactic is, but I've seen it used in various places. That being said, I have no idea if that's what Sen. Ross was doing - I'm just offering up a possible viable explanation for his actions.

I saw that at town meeting once. The tactic was used to bring the motion up for immediate reconsideration so it could be killed again. Under our town meeting rules, only a person voting in favor of the motion could ask for reconsideration. By having it immediately reconsidered it prevented it from being brought up at another night of town meeting so the other side couldn't pack the meeting with their people.

I don't know what parliamentary rules the Legislature operates under. This may be a tactic to cause the bill to die at a later point...I simply don't know. Usually, when a legislator says they support/oppose a bill, they're being truthful. If they respond to you with a "waffle" reply ("I will take your comments under advisement when considering this legislation.") it usually means they don't agree with you and are telling you to "eff off" politely.

Keep the pressure up. If a legislator says they agree with you but their vote doesn't seem to match up, feel free to ask them why...but don't expect a detailed explanation. Legislating is not a pretty process, and there's usually a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes. Frequently one side won't want to tip their hand to the opposition.

 

[jefftk]

When did they know the vote was happening? Two days before? One day before? When it had already started and was open until the next day?

Well I guess the only solution is to make one.eyed.jack a GOAL BoD member, assuming he is still a licensed fortune teller.

 

[cekim]

You don't need to register on an FA10. The law for private purchases explicitly states that it is on a form specified by the government. No such wording exists for the registration requirement - it only states that you need to provide the information, nothing about a specific form. Sure, it's easier for them if you do, but the law doesn't require it of you.

I'd assume you'd lose (and lose hard) that claim in court - the regulatory agency is assigned authority to "promulgate"... Quite specifically in this case to EOPS - NOT the AG.

You'd particularly lose that case in the SJC since they have about as much respect for the word and rule of law as our current president.

 

[Cap]

Many are running opposed in the next cycle, including Naughton.

Brad Wyatt is a candidate for State Representative of the Twelfth Worcester District, composed of Berlin, Boylston, Clinton, Lancaster, Northborough (Pct. 2 and 4), and Sterling (Pct. 2).

Do your research on him and see what you can do to help.