Healey Suspends Enforcement of Long Gun Roster

[KAG Arms]

Do you have a link to the new roster
This link (https://www.mass.gov/lists/approved-firearms-rosters) doesn't list anything new

https://www.mass.gov/doc/an-act-modernizing-firearms-laws-guidance-2/download

 

[pastera]

https://www.mass.gov/doc/an-act-modernizing-firearms-laws-guidance-2/download

I knew about the memo, I was looking for a roster
Here is the issue with that memo

Additionally, under the Act and 501 CMR 7.00, dealers may continue to sell shotguns and rifles so long as they are not otherwise prohibited in Massachusetts, pending further guidance from the Firearms Control Advisory Board.

A dealer is prohibited from transferring a firearm not listed on an approved roster. No long gun is on any actual roster so they are otherwise prohibited from sale under 501 CMR 7.00.
This is a obtusely critical reading that ignores estoppel but the secretary could fix the whole issue by publishing a new or updated roster including the language "All rifles and shotguns not prohibited as assault-style firearms are approved for sale unless enumerated on the assault-style firearms roster"

 

[KAG Arms]

I knew about the memo, I was looking for a roster
Here is the issue with that memo

A dealer is prohibited from transferring a firearm not listed on an approved roster. No long gun is on any actual roster so they are otherwise prohibited from sale under 501 CMR 7.00.
This is a obtusely critical reading that ignores estoppel but the secretary could fix the whole issue by publishing a new or updated roster including the language "All rifles and shotguns not prohibited as assault-style firearms are approved for sale unless enumerated on the assault-style firearms roster"

I now understand why he blocked you.

 

[Knob Creek]

Not necessarily since it is a true preban and C&R holders are allowed to transfer in C&R arms not in the state pre 98
I haven't pulled the string on C&R so I would have to study the text but I believe you could bring in a 60's AR without issue

Heading to a gun show in Tennessee next week. Let’s see what my C&R will get me.

 

[nin8888nin]

So does that mean all my AR’s “pre 10/2/24 Healey Emergency BS”, can now have a flash hider AND NOT WELDED and Stocks UNPINNED?

 

[Goliathan]

Fox News is reporting on this.

Unfortunately, their article is almost word for word from the AP, which is based on the BS from local sources.

 

[milktree]

I knew about the memo, I was looking for a roster
Here is the issue with that memo

A dealer is prohibited from transferring a firearm not listed on an approved roster. No long gun is on any actual roster so they are otherwise prohibited from sale under 501 CMR 7.00.
This is a obtusely critical reading that ignores estoppel but the secretary could fix the whole issue by publishing a new or updated roster including the language "All rifles and shotguns not prohibited as assault-style firearms are approved for sale unless enumerated on the assault-style firearms roster"

My understanding based on what @CrackPot said is that the EOPSS folks can declare something on or off the roster, and that it takes effect even before a roster is actually published.

Also: being on the roster is not a legal requirement. But being on the roster does mean that the gun meets the legal requirements. i.e.: something can be legal to sell even if it's not on the roster, and being on the roster is proof that it's legal to sell.

 

[milktree]

So does that mean all my AR’s “pre 10/2/24 Healey Emergency BS”, can now have a flash hider AND NOT WELDED and Stocks UNPINNED?

10/2 is irrelevant.

It has to have been IN MASS. ON 8/1 to be exempt from the ASF restrictions.

But yes, because she signed the emergency preamble, you can do all that dirty stuff to your rifle now instead of waiting until 10/23.

 

[pastera]

My understanding based on what @CrackPot said is that the EOPSS folks can declare something on or off the roster, and that it takes effect even before a roster is actually published.

Also: being on the roster is not a legal requirement. But being on the roster does mean that the gun meets the legal requirements. i.e.: something can be legal to sell even if it's not on the roster, and being on the roster is proof that it's legal to sell.

Behind the curtain dealer shit is even worse than we have to deal with.

Question for dealers (@CrackPot): Are you still required to report on an eFA-10 or is a dealer purchase a simple 4473 then the buyer needs to register when the portal opens.

 

[milktree]

Behind the curtain dealer shit is even worse than we have to deal with.

Question for dealers (@CrackPot): Are you still required to report on an eFA-10 or is a dealer purchase a simple 4473 then the buyer needs to register when the portal opens.

There is no law that requires anyone to use the FA10 system at all, because the FA10 system and any recording of transactions does not exist in current law at all.

Why would dealers be different?

 

[AJK129]

There is no law that requires anyone to use the FA10 system at all, because the FA10 system and any recording of transactions does not exist in current law at all.

Why would dealers be different?

I followed @KAG Arms random comment to himself on how to fill out my FA10s so ill continue to listen to that now

 

[pastera]

There is no law that requires anyone to use the FA10 system at all, because the FA10 system and any recording of transactions does not exist in current law at all.

Why would dealers be different?

This is still in the law

407 (b) All firearm transactions within the commonwealth, including, but not limited to, all purchases, sales, rentals, leases, loans or other transfers shall be reported to the electronic firearms registration system. All firearm transactions shall be reported by all parties to the transaction via the electronic firearms registration system within 7 days of the sale, rental, lease, loan or other transfer; provided, however, that no report shall be required for a loan of a firearm to a duly licensed or exempted person for a period of less than 7 days.

Therefore if the state is still requiring reporting transactions to the portal then it shows that the state is considering the portal the precursor to the new registration system.

 

[nin8888nin]

10/2 is irrelevant.

It has to have been IN MASS. ON 8/1 to be exempt from the ASF restrictions.

But yes, because she signed the emergency preamble, you can do all that dirty stuff to your rifle now instead of waiting until 10/23.

Ty very much

 

[CrackPot]

I followed @KAG Arms guidance on how to fill out my FA10s so ill continue to follow that now

I am sure @KAG Arms provided no guidance but made some off handed comment stating nothing but his own opinion. He would never provide legal guidance...

 

[AJK129]

I am sure @KAG Arms provided no guidance but made some off handed comment stating nothing but his own opinion. He would never provide legal guidance...

Yes let me edit that, he did not provide me any legal advice.

You were standing next to him when he said it

 

[pastera]

My understanding based on what @CrackPot said is that the EOPSS folks can declare something on or off the roster, and that it takes effect even before a roster is actually published.

Also: being on the roster is not a legal requirement. But being on the roster does mean that the gun meets the legal requirements. i.e.: something can be legal to sell even if it's not on the roster, and being on the roster is proof that it's legal to sell.

My contention is with this section

1060 (p) Subsection (o) shall not apply to: (i) a firearm lawfully owned or possessed under a license issued under this chapter on or before October 21, 1998; (ii) a stun gun; or (iii) a firearm designated by the secretary of public safety, with the advice of the firearm control advisory board, established pursuant to section 131½, as a firearm solely designed and sold for formal target shooting competition or for Olympic shooting competition and listed on the rosters pursuant to section 131¾.

1453 Section 131¾. (a) The secretary of public safety and security shall, with the advice of the firearm control advisory board established in section 131½ compile and publish a roster of assault-style firearms banned under section 131M and a roster of firearms approved for sale and use in the commonwealth using the parameters set forth in section 123.

The firearms must be listed on the olympic or competition rosters to be available for sale without being tested per section 123.

 

[Broc Tuah]

So does that mean all my AR’s “pre 10/2/24 Healey Emergency BS”, can now have a flash hider AND NOT WELDED and Stocks UNPINNED?

Dude, I told you where to find the answer, so you came to a different thread and asked the same question.

I almost respect the laziness.

 

[Broc Tuah]

This is still in the law

Therefore if the state is still requiring reporting transactions to the portal then it shows that the state is considering the portal the precursor to the new registration system.

"Electronic firearm registration system"
We don't have one of those.

Also, it doesn't mention builds.

 

[pastera]

"Electronic firearm registration system"
We don't have one of those.

Also, it doesn't mention builds.

Which is why I stated that if EOPSS is still requiring dealers to report transactions then the portal is being considered the registration system by the state.

If it is then we only have 1 year before we are required to register all of our firearms since the system does have a registration option.
Adding any new data fields to the portal is elementary.

 

[MAJoe]

Not necessarily since it is a true preban and C&R holders are allowed to transfer in C&R arms not in the state pre 98
I haven't pulled the string on C&R so I would have to study the text but I believe you could bring in a 60's AR without issue

How? Unless it’s a primary arm, the ASF test applies to everything regardless of age. The pre-98 stuff is just for pistols and that’s only for dealer sales, not possession.

I don’t think we’re blessed with a C&R carve out to bypass the ASF definition.

 

[Coyote33]

This just came out from GOAL:


View: https://www.instagram.com/p/DAtjTTrtPD0/

 

[MAJoe]

View: https://www.instagram.com/p/DAtjTTrtPD0/

In GOAL’s world, 2 years from now means immediately?

 

[VigilantesLiberi]

In GOLS’s world, 2 years from now means immediately?

Just because all the info and mis-info is not confusing enough. Let's stir the pot from a respected source. Is that their official channel?

 

[pastera]

How? Unless it’s a primary arm, the ASF test applies to everything regardless of age. The pre-98 stuff is just for pistols and that’s only for dealer sales, not possession.

I don’t think we’re blessed with a C&R carve out to bypass the ASF definition.

True on the ASF but since you can buy out of state on a handshake, who's checking?

 

[MAJoe]

Just because all the info and mis-info is not confusing enough. Let's stir the pot from a respected source. Is that their official channel?

I know you’re m new here, but many aspects of GOAL’s communication on the new law has been flawed.

True on the ASF but since you can buy out of state on a handshake, who's checking?

Low likelihood but your bound book documents that.

 

[pastera]

In GOALS’s world, 2 years from now means immediately?

Yes and no,
You are required to register anything now but that requirement won't be enforced for up to two years (up to 1 year to develop the system then one to comply)

So it isn't completely wrong it's just click bait.

 

[Broc Tuah]

This just came out from GOAL:


View: https://www.instagram.com/p/DAtjTTrtPD0/

@GOAL
@GOALJim

Can you post a link to the REGISTRATION portal?

How can you tell people it is immediate and not provide a link?

I am asking because I know a registration portal doesn't exists.

 

[pastera]

@GOAL
@GOALJim

Can you post a link to the REGISTRATION portal?

How can you tell people it is immediate and not provide a link?

I am asking because I know a registration portal doesn't exists.

They've already added the ability to change your address
Do you think it's a big lift to add the extra fields to the transaction portal to turn it into a registry?

And don't say the database is trash - that's not their problem because we will be liable for the errors.

 

[chris_1001]

What a clusterf*** this all is...

 

[Broc Tuah]

They've already added the ability to change your address
Do you think it's a big lift to add the extra fields to the transaction portal to turn it into a registry?

And don't say the database is trash - that's not their problem because we will be liable for the errors.

For govt work, everything is a big lift. That aside ... whether it is easy or not doesn't matter. What matters is that it does not exist today. Maybe it will exist on Monday, but not today

I think, if we are scaring people into registering everything TODAY, the proper thing to do is to at least provide a link.