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Help identifying rifle round
- Thread starter Chuck
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Google Lens to the rescue
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Czech 7.62x25 Tokarev?
Hers is another one way out of my area! Brass case and bullet attracted to a magnet. I assume it’s a Czech 7.62 Tokarev and the 6 51 is the date.What are the other symbols for? Thanks, Paul
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Chuck
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That’s one of the only calibers that would make sense since I had a K98 years ago. But, I can’t find a headstand match and the round length doesn’t match a reloading manual’s dimensions.
Chuck
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Good catch. I tried lens but didn’t see this. The picture on that link does show the gender symbol as an example. But still doesn’t tell me what round it is.Google Lens to the rescue
Czech 7.62x25 Tokarev?
Hers is another one way out of my area! Brass case and bullet attracted to a magnet. I assume it’s a Czech 7.62 Tokarev and the 6 51 is the date.What are the other symbols for? Thanks, Paul
That symbol is also used to indicate Mars.
The interwebs say:
AI Overview
A Mars symbol on a bullet casing typically indicates that the ammunition was manufactured by the "Federal Ammunition Company"; the Mars symbol is a common logo used by Federal to identify their products on cartridge casings.
The interwebs say:
AI Overview
A Mars symbol on a bullet casing typically indicates that the ammunition was manufactured by the "Federal Ammunition Company"; the Mars symbol is a common logo used by Federal to identify their products on cartridge casings.
whatluck
NES Member
Mystery Headstamp
I strongly believe that this is not a “Commercial” round. The same set of markings that appear on S&B and PS 7.9mm also appear on 9mm. I have been told that the clandistan marking appear on ammo made for Israel during it’s early days and the date of 1949 fits this. As I recall, most of this...
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Chuck
NES Member
The photo with caliper shows the round is about 3.16” (3-5/32) long.
Marty McFly
NES Member
That's my first thought too
cjrubes
NES Member
That's my guess. Bullet diameter is close enough to 30 cal that it can be hard to tell the difference visually. 8mm Mauser usually runs a little over 3in. for OAL, depending on the bullet. For my handloads, with 170gr bullets I run around 2.95 OAL, but with 200gr bullets I run them at 3.15in. OAL. Plus, the case length here looks to be slightly less than 2 1/4in. which is right inline with 8mm Mauser (which is 2.24in. max case length).
KMM696
NES Member
Headstamp Codes – International Ammunition Association lists the following for a code of '12'
I'm assuming '50' was the manufacture year.
Hope that's useful...
ETA: Looking through that website is interesting. (116) 7.92mm Mauser – Military Cartridges is their compilation of 7.92x57 headstamps, some of which are interesting. Like the blank headstamp on a "clandestine" 1914 contract for the Ulster Volunteer Force through Hamburg. At least that one I understood - there's another 7.92 Ball Type X made by Dominion Arsenal Canada for "clandestine CIA and Special Forces" contract. The headstamp is marked 1944, the contract is from the 1950's.
Website author states it's a compilation of crowd-sourced data, so a cartridge not appearing on their list just hasn't been documented yet.
Similar in some ways, but not exact match:
| 12 | Not a manfuacturer’s code, but rather a load identification code used by Pretoria Metal Pressing Ltd Pretoria, RSA on brass cases | 14 |
| 12 | O.J.F. (Osterreichische Jegdpatronenfabrik) Kremsach |
I'm assuming '50' was the manufacture year.
Hope that's useful...
ETA: Looking through that website is interesting. (116) 7.92mm Mauser – Military Cartridges is their compilation of 7.92x57 headstamps, some of which are interesting. Like the blank headstamp on a "clandestine" 1914 contract for the Ulster Volunteer Force through Hamburg. At least that one I understood - there's another 7.92 Ball Type X made by Dominion Arsenal Canada for "clandestine CIA and Special Forces" contract. The headstamp is marked 1944, the contract is from the 1950's.
Website author states it's a compilation of crowd-sourced data, so a cartridge not appearing on their list just hasn't been documented yet.
Similar in some ways, but not exact match:
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