I open carried in Boston today

[LakeTrout]

Also, there is absolutely no need to carry with a round in the chamber when on a public beach. That's just stupidity imo.

What in the f***ing f***??? The hell reason would you ever have to carry a gun without one in the chamber? Are you seriously on a gun forum advocating for carrying without one in the chamber? Jesus saggy tits Christ.

I feel like this isn’t the first time you’ve posted the dumbest shit I’ve read all day.

You feel the same way about those cops all carrying scawy loaded guns on the pubwick beachy??

 

[413guy]

saw a younger very good looking woman open carrying a glock on the outside of her belt/waistband today in Southborough, MA today at lunch. jeans too tight for concealed carry and a tight body suit tucked into it. looked for a badge, but didn't see one, and didn't care. made me smile

 

[Picton]

saw a younger very good looking woman open carrying a glock on the outside of her belt/waistband today in Southborough, MA today at lunch. jeans too tight for concealed carry and a tight body suit tucked into it. looked for a badge, but didn't see one, and didn't care. made me smile

Did you get her number? Y'know, for science?

 

[kingfisher]

Did you get her number? Y'know, for science?

I thought you only ask for her badge number if she arrests you.

 

[mibro]

What in the f***ing f***??? The hell reason would you ever have to carry a gun without one in the chamber? Are you seriously on a gun forum advocating for carrying without one in the chamber? Jesus saggy tits Christ.

I feel like this isn’t the first time you’ve posted the dumbest shit I’ve read all day.

You feel the same way about those cops all carrying scawy loaded guns on the pubwick beachy??

What is the threat when you're open carrying on Clearwater Beach?

It's the way I was trained many years ago. You'll just have to deal with my apostasy.

 

[LakeTrout]

What is the threat when you're open carrying on Clearwater Beach?

It's the way I was trained many years ago. You'll just have to deal with my apostasy.

Sorry I was such a dick. Still working on that.

No, I just can’t imagine carrying any kind of firearm but determining whether to carry it loaded or unloaded (I’m talking round in chamber) based on what I think the threat is. To me it just makes sense to carry the same way all of the time. And I don’t see any reason not to carry without one in the chamber. If you’re doing it properly, it’s not dangerous when on a public beach.

Don't go thug style or carry a glock in your pocket with a bunch of other shit in your pocket. But don’t do that anywhere. If you’re carrying properly, in this case a slung semi auto with the safety on, there’s no reason to not have one in the chamber.

 

[mibro]

Sorry I was such a dick. Still working on that.

No worries, I understand. No apology necessary.

No, I just can’t imagine carrying any kind of firearm but determining whether to carry it loaded or unloaded (I’m talking round in chamber) based on what I think the threat is. To me it just makes sense to carry the same way all of the time. And I don’t see any reason not to carry without one in the chamber. If you’re doing it properly, it’s not dangerous when on a public beach.

I agree, it's not dangerous when it's pointed at the sand. But it's also not dangerous with an empty chamber.

The way I was taught is match the condition of the firearm to the threat level.

 

[42!]

Thanks, I registered just because of the OP's post and the subsequent support for his 2A rights.

Anyway there's not much more to share, and I'm a bit afraid of too many details. I was looking around for a lawyer at one point. One of the gun store guys I really like in the area had a lead for me, but said something curious I won't forget. He said he wouldn't give me the name of the lawyer he knew because once the cops got wind of the case, they would certainly be vengeful and take it out on me and my family. This is no ordinary gun store clerk either, he trains police in gun tactics. He's probably already on this forum (hello sir).

I once thought the cops were on our side, this was one of the many experiences I've had that prove the exact opposite. They not only do not know the laws, but flagrantly ignore them and then look to the law to justify their overreach and abuse of authority.

But that day, the cop said to me, "We don't do that in this town," regarding open carry. There is no such bylaw here, of course. The only thing they had the power to do was check my license, which I had with me.

They can also call the issuing CoP and he can label you unsuitable for OC and being “aggressive “

 

[HooVooLoo]

I think that he is going to the post office next.

OG thinking right there. I like it.

 

[LakeTrout]

The way I was taught is match the condition of the firearm to the threat level.

I understand. But you don’t always know the threat level. It’s really hard to ramp up your end of things fast enough to counter a threat, once you’re under threat. Since there’s no harm or danger in carrying properly with a round in the chamber, it’s best in my opinion to do so. You don’t have advanced intel, scouts, or the element of suprise. If you’re going to find yourself in a situation where you need to fire your carry gun defensively, you probably don’t have time to load it after you come to that realization.

 

[AMV]

I agree, it's not dangerous when it's pointed at the sand. But it's also not dangerous with an empty chamber.

The way I was taught is match the condition of the firearm to the threat level.

I think we can agree we have all had a bad teacher at on point in time

 

[HooVooLoo]

I'm not surprised nobody cared, OP.

MA folks are conditioned that if they see a holstered gun on an otherwise non-threatening-looking person, dressed reasonably decently, they will assume it's a cop or some other sort of "authorized" person.

It's one of the reasons I stopped caring, early on, about whether I was printing or if my shirt rode up a bit, or whatever. People will rationalize whatever they need to in order to make them happier. If they have to believe it's fine for the OP to be carrying open, they'll invent a reason that makes it fine for the OP to be carrying open.

This is exactly it. If you are so "brazen" as to do something that is not illegal, like OC with a shoulder-holster, most people will ASSUME you are a cop and not bother. Or maybe you are a Loomis/Brinks driver. Whatever.

If some shit hits the fan with a panicky citizen on what they SEE, and the police are called, you show your LTC, and you are on your way.

End of story,

 

[mibro]

I think we can agree we have all had a bad teacher at on point in time

To be clear, I agree with that approach. I was taught by the British army.

 

[LakeTrout]

To be clear, I agree with that approach. I was taught by the British army.

I was kind of wondering if it was a military thing. Not knocking it. It’s just a completely different circumstance vs. carrying as a civilian for self defense.

 

[AMV]

To be clear, I agree with that approach. I was taught by the British army.

Ahh, Like I said

 

[mibro]

View: https://youtu.be/swveA-_1dus?t=24

 

[mibro]

I was kind of wondering if it was a military thing. Not knocking it. It’s just a completely different circumstance vs. carrying as a civilian for self defense.

I disagree but I also don't want to prolong this discussion.

 

[ccm75]

saw a younger very good looking woman open carrying a glock on the outside of her belt/waistband today in Southborough, MA today at lunch. jeans too tight for concealed carry and a tight body suit tucked into it. looked for a badge, but didn't see one, and didn't care. made me smile

You can usually tell a LEO by the holster…
I would have chatted her up to see what’s what…

 

[Veguns]

@Veguns Oh, wait! Was Scrivener your lawyer???

Pretty sure his real name is Keith, but someone will clarify. Yes, he's famous here, for sure!

Langer, not Scrivener, but yes. Although I think I contacted all of them, I was going nuts. Some called me foolish (they are not necessarily wrong) but NO ONE ever said I did anything illegal. One guy out in western MA said he'd take my case free if he was closer, so great to talk to him.

His letter to the CoP was beautiful, citing all the relevant MA and SCOTUS cases and pointing out all the police report inconsistencies. I nearly framed it.

 

[MAJoe]

What is the threat when you're open carrying on Clearwater Beach?

It's the way I was trained many years ago. You'll just have to deal with my apostasy.

Think of it this way, as a civilian. What threat would arise where you need to use a gun with an empty chamber? There are two options, situations where you don’t need a firearm and a situation where you are shooting because someone is about to kill you. Any situation where a firearm is needed, needs a round chambered.

There’s no downside risk to carrying with a round in the chamber and it’s one less thing to worry about, especially if you don’t have both hands free and adrenaline is pumping.

 

[VetteGirlMA]

Back in my rookie days when I didn't know any better I carried without a round in the chamber. As I became more comfortable being around guns all the time and more importantly after I took my classes on concealed carry I began to understand the concept of muscle memory and being consistent in carrying and also having a round in the pipe ready to go.

 

[LakeTrout]

Langer, not Scrivener, but yes.

Clark Kent is Superman

 

[kingfisher]

Langer, not Scrivener, but yes. Although I think I contacted all of them, I was going nuts. Some called me foolish (they are not necessarily wrong) but NO ONE ever said I did anything illegal. One guy out in western MA said he'd take my case free if he was closer, so great to talk to him.

His letter to the CoP was beautiful, citing all the relevant MA and SCOTUS cases and pointing out all the police report inconsistencies. I nearly framed it.

Yup, that's him!

Langer is his real last name. Scrivener was his screen name on NES.

Maybe someone will post examples of Keith Langer being Scrivener, but when he corrected someone, it was known as "being Scrivened" or something similar. As I posted in a birthday tribute thread for him, he was notorious for that!

 

[LakeTrout]

View: https://youtu.be/swveA-_1dus?t=24

I wonder how well that works with sweaty hands, loss of fine motor skills, and your fight or flight and tunnel vision are maxed.

But it also begs the question, are you doing this every time even though there is a round in the chamber? You seem to indicate that sometimes carrying with a round in the chamber is warranted. Stop me if I’m wrong. But if that’s the case are you still racking the round out or are you hoping to remember when you have a round in vs not having the round in when the moment comes you need to defend yourself?

Because it would seem like a really bad idea to sometimes go through this process to get into action but other times not do it.

 

[M1911]

View: https://youtu.be/swveA-_1dus?t=24

Why? Why decide to handicap yourself in this fashion?

Yes, with a lot of training, if you have two hands available you can charge the chamber relatively quickly. But you will always be slower than if the chamber was already charged.

More importantly, you may not have both hands available. Your support hand may be busy pushing your spouse to safety, or fending off the perp, etc. Are there techniques to charge the chamber with one hand? Yes, there are. But they aren’t necessarily easy to do. Yes, you can hook the rear sight on your belt. But that is kind of hard to do in the winter when wearing a coat. How often do you practice charging the chamber with one hand? Do you think you can do it while grappling with a perp?

 

[AMV]

View: https://youtu.be/swveA-_1dus?t=24

My take away from this video, is if you lack time for proper training, it is an acceptable way to carry your secondary weapon.
What about your primary weapon is that loaded?

 

[mibro]

My take away from this video, is if you lack time for proper training, it is an acceptable way to carry your secondary weapon.
What about your primary weapon is that loaded?

Who are you and why do you care?

 

[Picton]

Yay!

We've developed another thread about Israeli Carry!

Guys, nobody's going to convince anybody who carries unchambered that it's better to carry chambered. They've read all the reasons and decided against. They don't need to read the reasons again.

Live and let live.

 

[Sunny]

What is the threat when you're open carrying on Clearwater Beach?

It's certainly not 0%

I understand your position of "threat assessment to open carry". There are police officers that endured multiple shootings, and some have never needed to discharge their weapon in their entire career. All of them carry condition 1 with no safety. Why? If they needed it, it's there. I hope I never need a seatbelt to save my life in a car crash, but it's still on in that 0.001% chance that I never need it.

Btw, I still luv ya man

 

[mibro]

Yay!

We've developed another thread about Israeli Carry!

Guys, nobody's going to convince anybody who carries unchambered that it's better to carry chambered. They've read all the reasons and decided against. They don't need to read the reasons again.

Live and let live.

Thank you.