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Why do many ranges require that when you chamber a round you are pointed down range and on target so that a round won’t leave the range? Slam fire. Although more common in rifles with free floating firing pins, they happen.
And I am sure no legal trouble will come my way after discharging in front of what is likely a GFZ, because otherwise why would I be disarming in the first place?If the muzzle is pointed in a safe direction such as the dashboard or center consul then you might damage some property but otherwise would not be injured. So then I guess the question really is would you be more concerned about a ND or the possibility of a jackbooted thug interaction resulting in you getting jammed up on a storage charge? I wonder what would actually be more likely. Of course there’s no data to say.
And I am sure no legal trouble will come my way after discharging in front of what is likely a GFZ, because otherwise why would I be disarming in the first place?
Safe direction is a given I would hope!
How many times have the police verified that your vehicle stored pistol was unloaded?In the hopefully very unlikely event that you actually have a discharge what makes you think it would be discovered? People in the area may hear the shop but how are they going to know it came from inside your car? I first started shooting guns when I was eight years old. Couldn’t tell you how many hundreds of thousands of times I’ve chambered a round in a handgun. Never heard of a slam fire. Nobody I’ve ever met in my years of shooting has ever mentioned seeing or hearing about one either. So if you keep your finger off the trigger the chances of you having an issue are pretty much slim to none.
I did have a student who lost his LTC due to a ND in a car. His chief told him to take another course and he'd consider re-instating the LTC. No idea if he did or not.If the muzzle is pointed in a safe direction such as the dashboard or center consul then you might damage some property but otherwise would not be injured. So then I guess the question really is would you be more concerned about a ND or the possibility of a jackbooted thug interaction resulting in you getting jammed up on a storage charge? I wonder what would actually be more likely. Of course there’s no data to say.
How many times have the police verified that your vehicle stored pistol was unloaded?
I did have a student who lost his LTC due to a ND in a car. His chief told him to take another course and he'd consider re-instating the LTC. No idea if he did or not.
I gotta say I’ve been around enough to fear the confident experts more than the overly cautious new guy.Another class for what? To tell him to keep his finger off the trigger?
IIRC, the requirement for locked storage for ammunition comes from the CMRs for fire safety and not the MGLs. The CMRs for fire safety do not apply to a vehicle.
I suppose if you left it loose in an unlocked car, they could take a swing at you for violating 269-10, leaving it unattended "with intent to transfer" or the like.
As answered above. Only applies to a dwelling (Fire Marshal's CMR), not a car.
Since your handgun doesn't have a clip the answer is no. You don't need to put something that doesn't exist in a locked box.
What if his handgun is a broom handle Mauser?
In the last 5 years I've stored my handgun only once. I was at the Worcester Courthouse to file a Will. The parking lot was very busy with mostly sketchy looking people. I chose to store loaded rather than unloading and clearing it in such an environment. I generally don't go to any GFZ's, no reason to.How many times have the police verified that your vehicle stored pistol was unloaded?
Once, at the custom crossing into Canada, eh?How many times have the police verified that your vehicle stored pistol was unloaded?
Last courthouse I was at was Newburyport for jury duty. They checked mine for me.In the last 5 years I've stored my handgun only once. I was at the Worcester Courthouse to file a Will. The parking lot was very busy with mostly sketchy looking people. I chose to store loaded rather than unloading and clearing it in such an environment. I generally don't go to any GFZ's, no reason to.
Worcester would check my knife, but not gun. That's how I wound up back in the parking lot.Last courthouse I was at was Newburyport for jury duty. They checked mine for me.
That is some MA logic right thereWorcester would check my knife, but not gun. That's how I wound up back in the parking lot.
Section 131C. (a) No person CARRYING a loaded firearm under a Class A license issued under section 131 or 131F shall CARRY the same in a vehicle unless such firearm while CARRIED therein is under the direct control of such person. Whoever violates the provisions of this subsection shall be punished by a fine of $500.
(b) No person CARRYING a firearm under a Class B license issued under section 131 or 131F shall POSSESS the same in a vehicle unless such weapon is unloaded and contained within the locked trunk of such vehicle or in a locked case or other secure container. Whoever violates the provisions of this subsection shall be punished by a fine of $500.
(c) No person POSSESSING a large capacity rifle or shotgun under a Class A or Class B license issued under section 131 or 131F shall POSSESS the same in a vehicle unless such weapon is unloaded and contained within the locked trunk of such vehicle or in a locked case or other secure container. Whoever violates the provisions of this subsection shall be punished by a fine of not less than $500 nor more than $5,000.
Now I know it's a Mass law, because I'm completely confused.
A) Says I can't carry a loaded gun in a car unless it's under my control.
B) Talks of carrying with a Class B - so doesn't apply.
C) Is rifle or shotgun
But when I put the gun in the safe, or put it in the trunk, then it is no longer "carried", it is stored.
Not debating the "smart move" or the "Massachusetts move" - but I would think a legal move is to just put the pistol in a safe loaded. Isn't the premise that the law tells you what you can't do, not what you can?
Not to split hairs, but do you mean when you are parked or underway?(a) says you cant carry loaded unless under your control. loaded in your safe in the car would constitute in the car loaded and not under your direct control and a violation of 131C. Sure, you could try the argument that it is storage, but I would not bet my freedom and gun rights on that argument.
Not to split hairs, but do you mean when you are parked or underway?
I meant parked and no longer in the vehicle.Because, IIRC, you can violate both alcohol and texting statutes while parked/not operating, I would say "both."
I meant parked and no longer in the vehicle.
But when I put the gun in the safe, or put it in the trunk, then it is no longer "carried", it is stored.
I meant parked and no longer in the vehicle.
I wonder just how difficult it would be to devise a safe or locking device that, when released with a fingerprint as you insert your hand to grip the pistol, loads and charges the pistol as you pull it out?
The pistol would absolutely be locked up and empty until you put your hand in and it reads your print, but by the time you bring it into position, it's ready to rock and roll...
I wonder just how difficult it would be to devise a safe or locking device that, when released with a fingerprint as you insert your hand to grip the pistol, loads and charges the pistol as you pull it out?
The pistol would absolutely be locked up and empty until you put your hand in and it reads your print, but by the time you bring it into position, it's ready to rock and roll...
Alright... what the heck are you supposed to do in a double cab pick up? The answer is you better have locking gun cases. When I load up for the range, all firearms are in a locked case, except the one on my hip. And although I may not have too, I have a tool box that locks for ammo. It also carries a handful of tools and boresnakes etc. to clear a jam or squib. I have no desire to engage in a roadside debate with a cop who is convinced they know everything.
I got one of those tool boxes that has a retractable handle and wheels, so it works like a dolly. It is great because I can stack a couple of pistol cases on top of it once I am at the range.
Targets, eyes, ears, binoculars or spotting scope, notebook and pencil etc in my back pack/ range bag, with a very well stocked first aid kit that 1ncludes kwik clot, Israeli bandages and tourniquets.