Intrigued by .380

These are my personal, unqualified observations, YMMV.

I shot a Bodyguard and hated it. It's owner hated it and my buddy who was with us hated it. We all shot my Kahr cw380 and we all loved it and we all shot it very well. I also shot a Ruger LCP and hated that, couldn't hit diddly with it. I admit I am just an average shooter but I did very well with the Kahr. The recoil on the CW380 is light but it even felt less snappy than Bodygaurd or LCP.

I held a Taurus and didn't like the way it felt in my hand. My finger had to be jammed up tight against the front of the trigger guard to get the trigger to reset, the Ruger was similar in that regard. Never shot a G42 but it is noticeably larger than the others mentioned. Probably a great gun but not what I was looking for in a pocket pistol.

I recently held a Remington RM380 and liked it. I am not a Remington fan but this one at least felt good and the slide was noticeably easier to rack. Not that the others were hard but with small guns sometimes it's hard to get a good grip when you're in a hurry. The RM380 was nice in that regard.

In the end the CW380 is much smaller than any 9mm I looked at. Yes, some 9s look close but the true test is putting it in your pocket fully loaded (preferably with a pocket holster if possible). For me the difference was night and day. The weight difference was noticeable and the difference in the thickness of the guns was noticeable.

Yes, the 9mm is the far superior round, no question. That is why I have a CW9 as my EDC. My nightstand gun and occasional EDC gun is a SR45 with light and Truglo TFX fiber optic/tritium sights. The purpose of the CW380 is not EDC for me. It is for when I can't or don't want to carry something in a holster.

The trick with making the .380 effective is finding the right ammo and it's not easy. The .380 is an underpowered round and most, if not all, hollow points fail to expand properly or consistently. They either open up and under penetrate or they don't open and don't cause a large enough wound cavity and wind up over penetrating since the didn't open. I have researched two rounds that I feel are the best based on what I have seen/read on the interwebs. The Lehigh Defense Xtreme Penetrator and the Ruger/Polycase ARX. I have not been able to get my hands on any of the Lehigh Defense rounds but I do have Ruger ARX rounds. They cycle and shoot just fine in the CW380 and the ballistic tests show it performs adequately as a self defense round. I really want to try the Lehighs as they seem better than the ARX but I just haven't been able to yet. No, it's never going to be a 9mm but with the right ammo it's still a viable option.
 
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I've said it before, and will say it again. I love my M&P BG380 w/o laser. It is a tough gun to master, but I am confident that it will get the job done for me. It is comparable to shooting a double action revolver with the trigger. Some have told me, "it's snappy" for a small gun. People can hate all they want, but that doesnt bother me. My brother has the CW380 which is nice, but I don't like how the grip is so small. The BG has a big grip/ LOP for the size of the gun which I like.

Another side of .380 is ammunition. I carry underwood xtreme penetrators 90gr +P. They advertise at 1150fps which is almost 9mm power.

Ultimately, it all depends on what you like. I've played with a Sig P938, and felt it was too thick and heavy for what it is. I'd rather carry my shield or G43 for that weight of a gun.
 
I've said it before, and will say it again. I love my M&P BG380 w/o laser. It is a tough gun to master, but I am confident that it will get the job done for me. It is comparable to shooting a double action revolver with the trigger. Some have told me, "it's snappy" for a small gun. People can hate all they want, but that doesnt bother me. My brother has the CW380 which is nice, but I don't like how the grip is so small. The BG has a big grip/ LOP for the size of the gun which I like.

Another side of .380 is ammunition. I carry underwood xtreme penetrators 90gr +P. They advertise at 1150fps which is almost 9mm power.

Ultimately, it all depends on what you like. I've played with a Sig P938, and felt it was too thick and heavy for what it is. I'd rather carry my shield or G43 for that weight of a gun.

Agreed, it comes down to personal preference. I didn't like the BG380 for me but it's fine for some folks. That's why it is so important to try a gun out if at all possible before purchasing.

The Underwood Xtreme Penetrators are the same as the Lehigh Defense I think but maybe a tad hotter. The bullet on the Underwoods is the Lehigh bullet I am pretty sure. That would probably be my first choice. Would you mind saying where you were able to find those?
 
I have both and i like the 238 better, much quicker follow up. 938 is a bit snappy.

If you are willing to drive to central MA i will let you fire the 238, 938 and body guard.

For intensive purposes I consider all ammo said thereafter ball. The 115grn Walmart loads are indeed snappy, try the 124 or 147 loads. I actually enjoy shooting the 147 grn loads out of it though I do not know how practical it would be for defensive purposes.
 
For intensive purposes I consider all ammo said thereafter ball. The 115grn Walmart loads are indeed snappy, try the 124 or 147 loads. I actually enjoy shooting the 147 grn loads out of it though I do not know how practical it would be for defensive purposes.
I will admit I have only shot 115 ball out of it. I do have some 147 bullets to load up. I will try them to see if they are better. The 938 is a hair bigger than the 238 but not much. My original carry gun was the Body Guard and I thought it was OK until I fired the 238 that a guy at the range let me try. I bought one the next day. Come to think of it I have some self defense rounds I got with the 938, I will have to try them to see if it is less snappy.
 
Agreed, it comes down to personal preference. I didn't like the BG380 for me but it's fine for some folks. That's why it is so important to try a gun out if at all possible before purchasing.

The Underwood Xtreme Penetrators are the same as the Lehigh Defense I think but maybe a tad hotter. The bullet on the Underwoods is the Lehigh bullet I am pretty sure. That would probably be my first choice. Would you mind saying where you were able to find those?

That is correct. The underwood XP is using the lehigh projo.
 
I think the biggest change between the G42 & P238 is the manual of arms. You need to be confident in the 1911 manual of arms and to carry the P238 cocked & locked. If you aren't able to do that for whatever reason then don't buy it. That being said, the P238 shoots like a dream and conceals in a pocket with the included pocket holster. The BG isn't even in the same class as the first two: Do some close range drills with the three pistols and I guarantee the splits on the Glock & SIG will be a fraction of what the S&W are. Yes that matters in a defensive carry firearm: Triggers matter, just ask the NYPD.
 
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I have a glock 42, kahr ct380, kahr p380, diamondback 380 and colt pony. I love the 380 pistol. Only thing I think a must have in a 380 is a DAO.
 
I have a Sig 238 and a Glock 42. The Sig is quite simply awesome. The G42, well... Its a Glock. I carry the 42 way more than the Sig. The Sig is a bit smaller. But I kinda prefer the glock and I cannot really explain it.

I would not even remotely consider the Body Guard.
 
according to this....

9mm over the .380...

Higher velocity
greater expansion of projectile
deeper penetration (that sounds dirty....) [smile]

you can get some pretty concealable 9's. I have a 9 and a .380. I like them both. But you can't argue with the facts.....I'd rather carry a .45. Big gun though....

anyway, no matter what you decide....you have to be able to put rounds on target. If you can't, it won't matter much what you carry.





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My all time favorite, small handgun is a Walter PP (post-war, German made). Worked flawlessly, easily concealed, natural pointer, and has collectors value while still being a shooter. None of that plastic gun crap. [wink]
 

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-Mike
 
My all time favorite, small handgun is a Walter PP (post-war, German made). Worked flawlessly, easily concealed, natural pointer, and has collectors value while still being a shooter. None of that plastic gun crap. [wink]


I had a PPK once: The backstrap cut into my thumb webbing and hurt more than any large caliber pistol to shoot. I wouldn't suggest that gun to anyone who like to shoot. Carry maybe but not shoot.
 
No .380 here but these all seem like they would hurt...

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Image Source: Some old, fat guy with suspenders, that is usually seen drinking cheap draft beer in the clubhouse. He got this sent to him on his WebTV email box and thought it would be cool to forward it to has buddies. Owns one WWII, sloppy as ****, mixmaster type 1911, has never fired a polymer frame handgun, "not even once, because guns shouldn't be made out of plastic"

-Mike


lmao...no doubt....you can fund anything on the internet...lol

it would have been nice if they documented what they used for a material...
 
I had a PPK once: The backstrap cut into my thumb webbing and hurt more than any large caliber pistol to shoot. I wouldn't suggest that gun to anyone who like to shoot. Carry maybe but not shoot.

That, and the DA trigger pull is also like 900 pounds and there's no way to fix it, because the hammer mass of the gun is shit, so it needs a stupidly heavy mainspring to hit the hammer hard enough to make the gun fire.

Friend of mine handed me his once and was like "Mike I think something wrong with it, I can't pull the trigger" I'm like "it's a ****ing PPK, pull harder. It's normal for it to feel like you're going to damage something. "

-Mike
 
That, and the DA trigger pull is also like 900 pounds and there's no way to fix it, because the hammer mass of the gun is shit, so it needs a stupidly heavy mainspring to hit the hammer hard enough to make the gun fire.

Friend of mine handed me his once and was like "Mike I think something wrong with it, I can't pull the trigger" I'm like "it's a ****ing PPK, pull harder. It's normal for it to feel like you're going to damage something. "

-Mike


And they are a bitch to disassemble and field strip let alone detail clean. Horrible gun to own. Couldn't get rid of it fast enough.
 
lmao...no doubt....you can fund anything on the internet...lol

it would have been nice if they documented what they used for a material...

There was no material because it was probably created by some old guy hurr durring about caliber, not an actual test.

-Mike
 
People say .380 is a pu$$y round... I haven't met anyone yet that would let me dump a mag in their chest to prove its power... [smile]
 
And they are a bitch to disassemble and field strip let alone detail clean. Horrible gun to own. Couldn't get rid of it fast enough.

What? Are you serious. Field stripping a walther PP or PPK is almost too simple.

And there is a big difference between the US and German Walthers, the US made ones just plain suck.
 
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